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    Kiev Ukraine: How Hot The Girls Really Are, Without Hype!

    I spent about a week in Kiev, Ukraine in early springtime.  The big question is, how hot are the girls… without hype and for REAL? 

    And how easy is it to get laid there?

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    Most reviews I’ve read about Kiev where very polarized.  Either it was “paradise” or it was “WAY overrated”.  I wanted to find out for myself.

    First, What The City of Kiev Is Like

    First I want to give you some of my impressions of the city itself.

    Kiev felt very safe to me, so don’t let safety hold you back.  The downtown areas feel enough like a modern city.

    Ukraine recently dropped their Visa requirements to Americans, so now it’s super easy to travel there – all you need is a passport!

    The drive from the Boryspil airport into Kiev is a tour in gray Soviet Union monolithic apartment architecture, splashed up with color of flashy bright McDonalds along the highway.  It’s a bizarre visual contrast between old and new.

    The escalator out of the Metro can be a cool ride- imagine taking a single escalator that rises 20 stories high!

    McDonald’s is quite popular there.  I counted at least 8 of them, and you can typically find one without too much trouble.  Stepping inside will make you feel at home if nothing else, and the workers speak English.

    English American music is typically played in restaurants, malls, and fast food joints.

    Kiev is cold.  Don’t expect nice weather until at least April or later!

    Price wise, it’s cheap but not dirt cheap.  Grocery stores are tiny with very poor selection.  Expect to pay slightly higher prices than you would in the USA for food.  And clothing is expensive compared to the USA.  Something you’d buy at the Gap for $20 in Florida costs about $100 at the Gap there- and the clothing quality is cheap and lousy for the prices quoted.  Expect relatively poor selection for all consumer goods in general.

    Getting around

    Getting around Kiev is relatively cheap and easy.  The Metro system is rather simple, so getting around isn’t a problem.  And many younger people speak a little English, so if you get lost you can ask.

    Some street signs however are only in the Cyrillic alphabet, which can make it hard to match what’s on your map.  I’ve also gotten mixed up coming off the metro in spots, as some stations will have many exist that go out onto different streets.  But with a little time and exploration, you figure it out.

    And Taxis are relatively cheap for getting around- many speak English.

    The Girls

    In Kiev, *lots* of girls wear high heels.

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    Even when it’s bitter cold and icy out, a full 10% of the girls will be braving the ice in heels.  And that number rises dramatically as the weather warms up.

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    I’ve traveled all over Europe and Eastern Europe, and never seen anything close to such a high percentage of girls wearing high heels – not even close!  The end result: lots of sexy eye candy walking around.

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    In addition, the girls put in more effort to “dress to impress” on average than in any other country in Europe, Eastern Europe, or the USA.

    Some of the girls have very amazingly pretty hair.

    It’s very easy to stand out as a foreigner, if you want to.  Black clothing is very popular among Ukraine men.  Wear another color than black, and you’ll stand out from 95% of the other guys.

    There’s an excellent Metro system, which allows you to get around for very little money, and where you can also meet girls.

    The Cons

    Okay… now it’s time to burst the hype!

    Here’s the downside.

    The girls are all super thin, some almost to the point of looking malnourished.  If you like boobs, hips, or butt, the girls will severely disappoint you.

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    The majority of girls are pale white with brown eyes and brown hair and stick skinny.  There’s not much visual diversity or variety.

    If you like girls with butt, breasts, hips, or exotic looking tanned-skinned girls or ebony girls, you’ll find Kiev pretty disappointing.  Kiev women largely conform to a specific visual archetype- pale, skinny, and brown hair and brown eyes.

    Most of the girls are 6s, 7s, and 8s.  If you have a thing for “9s and 10s”, I actually saw more in places like Florida, Southern California, Medellin Colombia, Budapest Hungary, and Stockholm Sweden.  Granted, it was early spring and still somewhat cold- perhaps in the summer heat more “9s and 10s” will be out and about, so I can’t say for sure.

    In addition, the city is rather of gray, dull, and fugly.  It doesn’t exactly lift your spirits.  There’s not much reason to be there outside of girls.

    Why do Kiev girls have a reputation for being so hot?

    Mostly, the perceived beauty is a clever illusion.

    First off, so many of girls wear high heels.  This makes these otherwise short girls look very tall and leggy – but it’s largely an illusion.  Kiev girls are not taller or leggier than girls anywhere else.  Still, if you’re not used to seeing girls wearing heels, it will easily fool you’re eyes.

    Lots of girls put great effort into their makeup- some look professionally made up.

    A sizable minority of girls do extensive hair coloring and hair straightening.

    The girls aren’t intrinsically hotter as anywhere else… in fact, if you were take a group of young Swedish girls, Italian girls, or Norwegian girls and put them in tall high heels, makeup, and tight dresses, they’d be hotter than Urkainian women.

    But many Western girls are quite lazy and sloppy.  For example, I met a Canadian girl at a hostel there.  She was tanned, blonde, and cute – I’d say having the potential to be hotter than 99% of the sickly pale Kiev girls.  But she had a bad posture from playing games on her phone, and had a tummy from eating shitty food.  I watched as she ate 6 pickles, chocolate, half a loaf of bread, and a beer before going to bed.  If she simply exercised, lost 10 kilos, and wore high heels and a tight dress, she would have blown away most of the Kiev girls – but as it was, she failed miserably.

    So what Ukraine girls have is more *feminine polarity*.  They girls look more feminine because they simply try harder at the illusion.

    There’s other factors that make the girls APPEAR hotter as well.

    The country is quite poor and the girls have to walk everywhere- that keeps them quite thin.

    But also, the population is young.  There is simply an inordinate number of younger women walking around, compared to Western Europe or the USA which has much older populations.

    When you speak English, girls take notice of you.  I think this feeds into many guy’s egos – guys who aren’t normally used to getting attention from girls otherwise – and then the guy hypes the quality of the women in their stories and field reports, because their ego has been stroked.

    Keep in mind too that hotness is all relative.  If you are coming from a small, cold, older and overweight populated city like Strasbourg in Austria, or Pittsburg in Pennsylvania, you will most likely be blown away by the eye candy walking around the streets.

    However, if you are coming from a warm, younger city like Miami Florida, where girls already show skin and paleness is a sign of sickliness, you’ll find the girls in Kiev more average looking.

    Night Game

    Night game potential is average.  I was repeatedly told that Kiev wasn’t the place to go for night life.  That most girls can’t afford to go, and that mingling is not part of the culture really.

    In addition, many of the girls in clubs are not “the girls next door” but are hookers.  Other women found at clubs are middle-aged gold diggers looking for a foreigner to marry.  Your best bet is to skip the big-name clubs and bars, find out where the University students are going.

    Day Game

    Kiev presents many day game opportunities.  Most girls are too poor to drive, so they walk everywhere and there’s an excellent Metro system for getting around.

    The standard advice you’ll hear for day game is visit Khreshchatyk street – that’s where you find the most pedestrians.  Here’s a video:

    Walking in Khreshchatyk street Kiev, Ukraine

    But I actually much preferred the upscale areas around the Metro stations Tolstoho Square and Olimpiiska – I found the girls slightly prettier, higher class, and better dressed there.

    How easy are the girls?

    From what I understand, it used to be you could walk in, speak English, and as a dirty scruffy backpacker you could get laid like picking up candy.  But those days are long over.

    If you can’t approach girls AT ALL back home, then you won’t find Kiev any easier.  The girls will NOT approach you.  It’s still up to you to make everything happen.  If you can’t get laid back home, you might get 6s and 7s at best in Kiev.

    If you are looking for a “quick fix” where you don’t have to do any game whatsoever, you are grasping at straws thinking that Kiev will fix your problems, and your results will be severely hampered.

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    The guys who will find it easier will be intermediates or guys already getting a little success back home.  If you can approach girls, but your game is sloppy and you get blown out a lot- THIS is the guy who will find Kiev easier.  Because you speak English and dress differently, you’ll stand out from the other guys and girls will take notice of you.  The girl that would brush you off back home may suddenly take interest in you in Kiev.

    But keep in mind that the top hottie outliers make up a very small percentage of the girls.  Don’t imagine you can waltz up to the “Perfect 10” and have her fall all over you just because you speak English.  At best you’ll get more IOIs and maybe more up front attention from girls – but if your game back home is weak, you’ll still be limited to pulling the 7s for the most part.

    In addition, many of the girls come from traditional families and live with their parents.  So hooking up for quick one night stands can actually be easier in more liberal “mingling cultures” like the USA.

    For advanced guys, you’ll appreciate the extra attention you get from girls, but ultimately you should be pulling quality girls from anywhere you go – and you may find Kiev somewhat hyped given the downsides of the city.

    The Future

    Since the Ukraine has loosened its entry requirements, foreign tourists are beginning to pour in in far greater numbers.  You will still stand out as a foreigner.  However, that window is rapidly closing and with each year it will count for less.  Of course, if you have good game though, it doesn’t matter!

    There’s one McDonald’s the size of a small mall there.  It was a madhouse inside- very popular.  As the country grows richer, it will also grow fatter.  People will drive more, people will eat more fast food, and he girls will drive less.  It will still take a good 50 years though to catch up with level of obesity you find in small-town America.   So for now, it’s nothing to worry about.

    Jesse, so you recommend going?

    Yes I do!  Personally I generally prefer the more classical look of Western European girls (and the ethnic variety) – but everyone has different tastes.  The only way to know for sure is if you visit and see for yourself… and I encourage you to do so!

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