Depressing - do not read if you are in a good mood

A little background: This morning I woke up excited about the day. Confidence Max tapes have been very helpful and I have in general been feeling good about myself and confident about achieving my goals. I also understood that I have things I need to work on as they will come together with practice.

My looks: I am not a muscular guy but I go to the gym. I am not fat, very slender. 6’0” 170lbs to get an idea. My biggest physical weakness is acne, but I fight it religiously and would say its only at a mild to moderate level. I try not to let it bother me much.

Environment: I go to a difficult university in an urban setting with about 4000 undergrads. Because it’s a difficult university, there aren’t all that many attractive females. BUT there are some. The problem is that about 90% are in this one sorority.

I have met and gotten legitimate (not fake numbers) from about 10 of these sorority girls.

I thought I had a friend (her bf is a close friend of mine) in the sorority call her S. When I would meet these sorority girls, occasionally (by no means every time, just when it would come up) I would mention that I am friends with S and her bf. I thought this was an ok tactic to try to help my social value.

Here’s the big issue: Jesse emphasizes that it doesn’t matter the end result because nobody will remember or care if you get rejected.

So in general I agree. I met this one girl T last semester. I called her and she agreed to meet me. She was very rude, often times blatantly ignoring me. Well, I did my best to try and be friendly.

It turns out that sororities are like big networks and the second something happens they all know about it by the next day. S told me that I am trying to hard because 6 of her sorority sisters had mentioned me trying make a move. Even though one of them was just someone I was trying to be nice to (no number, no asking out, just hellos and small talk). She also said that she didn’t want me to mention her name again bc she is afraid that it appears that she might be trying to help me out. (What are friends for?).

Well, I now realize how good of a fried she is. I also realize that I am being talked about negatively behind my back. I am so frustrated. I don’t feel like any of my actions are creepy or obtrusive. I can accept the fact that some girls are just not interested but this is a little much for me to handle. I feel like I have been blacklisted. Any ideas on how I can ever show my face around campus again?

Girls talk

And they talk alot....don't feel as if you are alone. Keep being friendly and keep working them but stop trying to get contact info for awhile.

Get girls elsewhere until the heat dies down a bit. DO NOT AVOID THEM, be very confident, even more than before, you have the advantage and know what SOME of them are thinking. Girls want approval and some might be agreeing with others just to go along with the group.

Use this time to build social value, try to pick up girls elsewhere and be seen with them. This will blow over as quickly as they find someone else to bust on. It gives them power to feel superior, don't take it too personally.

Are you sure your "friend" isn't talking to his g/f about the excercises you are doing here?? Could be you were cock blocked in a major way and have to do some spin control.

Don't let this get you too down, it'll be in the past very quickly. It's one of those times in life you will grow from if you stand tall and act as if nothing has happened. Really, what has happened other then the one girl saying "don't drop my name again"? Try to be positive about what you say to the girls about other girls in the group.

SHS

Let go of the 'fear'... All this is part of the growing process

Nice topic line.. hehe. Well, I don't think you can project
a 'depressing' state towards me... I do NOT get depressed,
NEVER. It's more like you will get my optimistic state.. but
I won't tell you to feel like that now.

Even more, I couldn't read your post ever..... think about it...

Good.

Good.

Good. Could be better. It's not about the numbers.... or
phone numbers.

If you mention just one friend or two.. it won't. If you make
friends all the time everywhere... people will feel already
you have high social value.

Right on. No one cares about you... if you do good or bad.. no
one cares.

(Almost) all people ONLY care about them selves...

"Do I have the right clothes on? I don't want to be seen as
a drok"

"Will the group accept me? I'm not good with making new
friends."

"I hope I look cool when I have my sun glasses on..."

Etc. This is the most common behavior of humans... we
are group animals.

Hmm.. like.. if I am rude to you.. you will be extra nice towards me?

No, you should say you don't accept this behavior and you want
better treatment, or I should hit the road.

Have self worth.... Accept GOOD behavior, and turn bad behavior
down.

Do this all the time, no matter who.... do that.

You were bringing your social value down... by accepting her
bad behavior.

This works extra hard when it is a girl. She feels you are giving
her 'special treatment' to get into her pants. She doesn't say
it.. but deep down she feels like that as all the guys are on the
'hunt'...

Girls like you for being interested in sex... but don't like to have
guys who are easy to get... there is no adventure there...

There you go.... She felt you were trying to get into her pants...

The funny thing is, when you don't use the Seduction Science
materials, and turning your own social value down, the girls
don't feel attraction, and sense that you are trying to
get into her pants.. making moves.

But when you are using the Seduction Science materials and
bring your own value UP... she things you are cool.. and you
will get into her pants.. and the girls love you.....

She is afraid of losing social value.

The funny thing is, she has no real self-esteem... and is leaning
towards others to at least seem like she has social value.

As you are doing the Confidence Max audio program.. you are
the REAL deal... Even through it may seem to others you aren't..
you just have to learn to shine... To convey your real confidence
you are building now...

It's just the conveying.... It is NOT, no, NOTHING like that little
girl... LOL.

I see it like this, if people lose their fear... they can be real
friends.... if they have fear to be rejected by others.. they
can't be a real friend.... But I don't think bad about them,
it is just the way they feel/are at the moment.

GOOD... because your actions weren't. You did make some
'faults'.. but it was CERTAINLY NOT creepy or obtrusive...

You can show your face around when ever you want. Let go
of the 'fear' of being rejected by others. If you let go, and make
friends with EVERYONE... not by being 'nice' so they will like you,
but being interested in others, being fun around them, using
cliffhangers and being a little talk active..... People will FEEL
different. Even when they keep talking negative behind your
back... the will be positive rumours about you too.

Tell you, when they are talking about you.. you are a LOT
better off then the 'social acceptable guy' who is like every
other guy... no one sees him, no one thinks about him...

He is laying alone in his bed.. and has NO idea why he
has no girl....

YOU are already known.... You know what to do, you are
working on yourself to grow... You will get MORE and more
of what you desire.....

My advice:

1. As SHS said, don't get numbers. Just make friends
   with EVERYONE.
2. Talk to people outside the university. Talk to people
   at the streets.. Get adventure....
3. Practice the techniques - as given in the materials and
   here at the VIP Lounge - step by step.
4. Let go of the 'fear'... feel your growing confidence...

And keep us updated...


TVM

P.s.: When you meet other girls and people outside of the
university, you will project another vibe... You feel you got
more choice... This vibe is unique!!! That is what makes
girls very interesting in you.

P.p.s: Don't feel good now... I didn't try to let you feel
better.... I think it will work all by it self.. after feeling
a little down you will feel much better all by it self.
Especially after you using the Confidence Max for a
while.....

Is it safe to assume that you're not a native of Miami and moved there for the social life then Jesse? Not a bad call from what I could make of the place.

That 'tropical' place on Ocean Drive (can't remember what it's actually called) with the semi clothed Latina chicks touting / dancing on the table is a pretty cool place... Heaving with quality pussy (and I don't just mean the staff). Perhaps a bit 'touristy', but hey I was a tourist anyway!

Mangos

Yeah, it was great on new years eve '05

Tight is right, and they can really move it, but not much girl action there otherwise, it ended up being just a show....a good show, but no chance of getting near them.

Wish I'd a hit one of the private parties now....

SHS

Jesse,

Did you go to U of M? I'm thinking of transferring there...I yearn to live in Miami...don't feel this 4 season stuff.

Yea speaking of U of M. How old are you Jesse???