I just got back from an epic night out, and came across a few intersting concepts. Can someone explain the whole fuss over DHVs? I get inside my head and think to myself ok, I touched, she is laughing, now I need to tell something cool so it shows my value. I don't think I understand this entirely, but I feel like this is something really simple. If we are all epic dudes/pua/players/working on our skill set, shouldn't every fucking thing we do be a DHV automatically by nature? Why worry about saying or doing something specifically to show/add value? I found that simply thinking that "I am the Man" and everything I do is cool, and even doing things on purpose to demonstrate LOW Value works to my favor. Has anyone had a similar experience? Also, one really hot I girl I was talking to told me a guy just approached her and said, "I think you are cute, but is your hair fake, it looks like extensions?" I don't know if the guy did this on purpose, but this sounds like one of those canned, back-handed openers guys use on HB10s. Anyway, talked to the girl a bit, and she told me she felt frustrated by that at first and blew the guy off. I reframed it and told her, "I know, Its weird, when girls compliment my hair I am like...ok...thats nice, but you need to ask before you can touch it. What good is a handful of compliments from a stranger?" I guess that was a verbal DHV of some nature....my B Anyway, she agreed and told me that the guy tried to grab her hair and that those types of openers can really backfire or illicit a seemingly endless stream of tests. We got to talking and I eventually said in a very playful and mocking manner, "Hey gorgeous, is your hair real or fake*big smile* hmmm let me touch it..." No resistance. Then she responded by doing the same thing to me. All in all, she basically said those openers can work and make a girl feel self concious, but ends up making the girl feel put on the spot and super test the guy. She told the guy, "Hey you look cool, wait...no you don't...is your confidence real or fake?" Total blowout, and I laughed my ass of when she told me this. Regardless, it was interesting getting a female opinon on this IMMEDIATELY after she had been opened in that manner. Maybe we should really check body language and congruance if some of you guys like to open like that. I feel like it may seem cool, but going straight with a genuine compliment or just touching the girl seems to be totally hassel free. What do you think?
Hey TheEarl88! I though that this conversation was more about putting girls value down rather (negging) than putting your value up (DHV). Here is a post I read on the forum yesterday that I though appropriate for this conversations: http://www.seductionscience.com/forum/6730-girls-know-negging-flirting.html . As for the the hair, that is the area I usually don't want to touch specially in the beginning of the interaction, because girl spend tuns of hours working on their hair and don't want somebody or nobody with lame openers to ruin their hard work in a meter of seconds. Its just a unnecessary risk. It like you go all-in or all-out immediately. "Touch something else", thats what I say, lol. The reason for this is that it all comes back to your physical escalation, and in my opinion just stay away from the hair until maybe later on. The good time that usually feels comfortable to touch it, is just before kissing a girl, so it actually takes a while... Guess it not exactly what you have expected . Cheers, Tiger
Yeah, I remember that post, I guess it just slipped my mind when I wrote this last night. She basically said what you were saying, girls know that negging is flirting. And if you overkill, keep doing it, or go in too hard without the right body language/state/confidence (whatever you want to call it) the girl will lose interest or really have no other way to interact with you than to throw up tests. I think you misunderstood my post tho. I had already met this girl earlier this weekend and bumped into her again. We got to talking, alot of kino too, and she told me about SOMEONE ELSE that opened her with the "fake hair" thing. That's when she explained her take on the situation and what went through her head. Later in our interaction, I playfully preteneded to open her with that, and coming from a good state, she totally had fun, went along with me and we kept the physical going. And yes, I totally touched her hair. But like you said, I also had alot of slapping, touching, holding going on before that so escalation/calibration does have an influence.
