Do You Want to be a Player?

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  1. TequilaMan Active Member

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    Here's an article from cliffslist, written by, Ron Louis(Become a "Man of the World" and be the Obvious Choice for women).
    Every, now and then, something is written about, "players".
    To a man, being a player seems, cool, but, to a woman, that's a different story.
    I no longer define myself as being macho, a stud, a player, Don Juan Casanova, etc.
    I feel VERY comfortable in the place where I am and the lifestyle that I am leading.
    If anyone defines me, as above, I say, "I am BETTER than that'!

    Here's most of his article, without, the advertisement:

    I'm writing you today to bust the myth of the "player" lifestyle.

    Being a "player" might sound great at first—heaven knows some guys on the Internet play it up as the best lifestyle a man could possibly live—but being a "player" has some real downsides that you need to know about.

    Let me explain ...

    You've probably heard of the the "player" lifestyle. A "player" is a guy who makes hunting for sex FIRST and foremost in all his activities.

    Usually the "player" spends his time trolling bars, doing or saying whatever he has to as he tries to get girls to go home with him.

    He takes big, scary risks with women. He gets slapped in the face a lot. He gets drinks thrown on him.

    And yes, sometimes those big, scary risks do pay off, and a woman goes home with him.

    You need to understand this: everything in the "player's" life is about getting sex. He's always on the prowl, hoping to "get lucky."

    When he's not out at bars, he's on online discussion boards, trying to find the next great scam to get a woman to "put out ..."

    Or he's arguing with other "players" about the best scam techniques to use ... or bragging about his real (or, let's face it, sometimes imagined) conquests with the latest "HBB10++" (don't worry if you don't know what that means—you're probably better off).

    If you've found yourself attracted to this lifestyle—I understand. If you haven't been in the dating world for awhile, or are shy, or have trouble with women, being a "player" might seem like a significant step up. After all, as a player at least you are (hopefully) getting sex !

    But here's what people who want to charge you thousands of dollars to teach you about the "player" lifestyle don't want you to know ...

    - The "player" lifestyle is incredibly time-consuming. You end up abandoning other areas of your life to go out to bars every night. One instructor on "how to be a player" claims you MUST go to bars for four hours a night, five nights a week, in order to learn to be a "player." Does that sound like something you'd like to do ? Or does it sound stressful and time-consuming ?

    - The "player" lifestyle involves INTENSE rejection. Do you like to be rejected ? Does it just "roll off your back" when a woman confronts you about your "hypnotic patterns," throws a drink in your face, or slaps you ?
    I didn't think so. I don't like to be rejected, either. Neither does anyone.
    But as a "player," rejection—INTENSE rejection—is an everyday experience.

    - The "player" lifestyle relies too much on "the numbers game." You may have heard of the old story about the guy who goes up to every woman he sees and says, "It's my birthday, will you f*ck me ?" That's "the numbers game." He's relying on the idea that out of every 10,000 women he hits on, at least one, statistically, will say yes.

    That's true, but here's something else that's true: the 9,999 rejections he has to endure to get there are NO FUN, and it simply takes too much TIME.

    It may go against the dating "industry" to say it, but ...

    The "player lifestyle" is probably NOT the lifestyle for you.

    But, for all the flaws of being a "player," they do have one thing right:

    It's important to develop a "lifestyle" that works FOR you.

    Relies On Intelligence

    He's figured out how to be the "Smartest Seducer in the room," so he doesn't have to be the most attractive, most successful, or richest man in order to take home the hottest woman (or even more than one of them at a time !).

    Relies On Positioning

    Instead of just trying harder (and getting into a habit of failing every time), he knows how to put himself in the spot where success happens. He's the guy who's in the right place at the right time, so the results he gets seem effortless.

    Relies On Leverage

    The "Man of the World" knows that you can often get big results with little effort, if you know exactly what effort to make. Because he relies on Leverage, he uses the same effort an average man uses to fail with one woman to MEET and succeed with an entire group of women.

    And he doesn't use leverage just with women ... he uses it successfully in every area of his life.

    Relies On "One Thought" Focus

    While other men get confused with women and in social situations because they think too much, the "Man of the World" is relaxed because he has a guiding light: the "One Thought" he has, for each situation, that guides him
    and tells him exactly what to do next.

    Intelligence, Positioning, Leverage, "One Thought" focus ... those are the lifestyle factors of the "Man of the World."

    Doesn't that sound a lot better than relying on going to bars night after night, enduring constant rejection, and hoping ?

    You see, the cards are stacked differently for the "Man of the World."

    He's the "Obvious Choice" for sex and relationships—with the women that most men can only fantasize about.

    He hangs out with fascinating people and is invited to the best parties and social opportunities. (TM says: I have, yet, to have this happen to me.) :lol:

    He is able to pursue his fantasies and dreams, and live them out, no matter how outrageous they may be.
  2. Angelic

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    I agree calling oneself a "player" is not the best way to self-identify yourself.

    But many of these knocks against meeting women and bars and clubs by Ron Luis are off-base.


    Ron Luis is an older guy, I believe in his 60's now, so one should keep that in mind in how that will affect his opinions. He's not really in the mindset of speaking to a young 20's crowd.

    For a guy in his 60's, it can be much more about 'lifestyle' like being retired in Costa Rica and having your younger woman take care of you. He never mentions what his 'lifestyle' is exactly, but I'm bet that bars and clubs are the furthest thing he'd want to do at his age and with what he's already set up for himself. When I'm 60 I'll be doing the same thing!


    Really, this stuff doesn't happen. These are fears and justifications generated by guys who don't go to bars and clubs.

    "Big, scary risks" are all relative. To many guys, saying "hello" to a girl on the street is VERY SCARY. Does that mean it's a downside? No, it means stepping out of your comfort zone, facing fears, and coming out better for it.


    I'm arguing that ANY type of relationship with women is very time consuming. Making a marriage work too is VERY time consuming. Most girlfriends are VERY time consuming. Most guys do very time consuming work as well to provide for women and children. ANYthing having to do with women tends to be VERY time consuming. And yes, attracting women too is time consuming.

    This is really silly.

    If you go to a bar or club and you spend the first hour or two being social and friendly without being needy and outcome dependent, 90% of the people will be very friendly. And for the other 10%, it isn't "intense rejection" of "being slapped", it's very mild.

    Even if you just throw out hard-core complements, and touch the girls right away, MOST girls are very cool about it and into it.


    This is a caricature scenario, asking girls up-front for sex to 10,000 girls, until the 10,000th girl says yes. This guy isn't speaking from real experience.

    Everything in life - worth getting - is a numbers game to a degree. Finding a good job doesn't happen on your first resume submission. Finding a great restaurant doesn't happen on the first day. Finding a great girl means 'playing a numbers game' to a degree. But the way he describes the process is completely off-base.


    The rest of this stuff he suggests is very, very vague and abstract advice. "He knows how to put himself in the spot where success happens. He's the guy who's in the right place at the right time..."

    This is very "magical thinking" advice.

    TM, this guy is not worth re-posting.
  3. TequilaMan Active Member

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    Jesse;
    I thought it was an interesting article, because, it reflects the mindset of many on-line advisers.

    Oh, I said this, NOT, Ron:
    Originally Posted by Ron Luis [IMG]
    I no longer define myself as being macho, a stud, a player, Don Juan Casanova, etc.
    I feel VERY comfortable in the place where I am and the lifestyle that I am leading.

    Thanks for critiquing the article, Jesse.

    TM

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