So I've been sarging my brains out down here in South Florida! I've been continously pushing myself out of my comfort zone more and more each day in order to really get this area of my life handled once and for all. I don't want just good results I want the best and will push myself until I get nothing but the best.....I mean above and beyond because I'm not fucking around any more. Sometimes we have to cut people out of our lives unfortunately but it's for the best because not everyone will support us in our journey into becoming a guru or master pick up artist. The more successful I'm becoming the more haters I'm getting and Speer warned me about this. It feels as though I can't trust most people anymore and it sucks but hey....not anything or any person is going to stop me now. My former friend/wing Roshi and I decided to go out to the Seminole Hard Rock Casino seeing as how we really wanted to sarge. Once we stepped inside I saw a two set seated down so without hesitation I opened. I asked them where the really popping clubs or bars were in this place. They really didn't know because I told them I was new and they told me that was the case with them as well because they were from Denver. They actually agreed to meet Roshi and I in the center bar later so we could all explore the place together. So the first sent went well and hooked. I have to say that everyone in South Florida has been very friendly so far and I can't complain at all. We sat at the bar in the middle of the place which is circular and apparently everyone winds up hanging out there anyways. Roshi sees a girl sitting across so he smiles and waves at her to come join us. She comes over to join us and ends up doing that. She was a very friendly person and I was going to help DHV him since he was the one who opened first. However, as time went on she kept talking to me and giving me IOI's even though it was his set. I just kept DHV'ing him as much as I could then the bar tender came over to inform me that she was closing my tab because she was leaving for the night. I told Roshi I was taking care of the tab that night and he agreed to pay mine the next time. Once the tab was closed things got weird and I could feel it. Roshi's body language changed dramatically and I felt as though he was practically handing me the lone wolf which there are a lot of them down here for some reason. He interrupted me while I was talking to her after getting up to walk around for a bit. I told her to hang on a minute and turned my back to her in order to face him. He started getting agitated and swearing at me because he thought I disrespected him for closing the tab which I didn't and I explained this to him. This guy has had a bad drinking problem for years and years so when he drinks he enjoys picking fights along with being super sensitive while perceiving things the wrong way. His arrogance is enough to make anyone sick as well. Once I managed to calm Roshi down I closed my tab because he put her drinks on it as well which I didn't approve of. I was taking care of our tab but not our tab and random people. The three drinks he got turned out to be $34 which I actually said holy shit that's a lot of money so I closed it out. I closed it out and he got all pissed off again. He just kept leaving the set and this time went to the bathroom. I figured he just handed me the lone wolf at this point because he kept leaving so I kino'd the shit out of her giving her a few IOI's back at this point. I'd rate her as a HB 8 even though I think the scale of looks on 1-10 basis is fucking stupid. A girl could be a 10 but rotten on the inside so would that really make her a 10? Doubtful. I hadn't used a routine in such a long time but I decided to. Before doing that I qualified her and said your really cool but what's so special about you? She started qualifying herself to me so I immediately knew I was in. I started building comfort and rapport with her at this point. Then I ran the ring routine on her because she was wearing really cool rings and I hadn't used a routine in years so it allowed me to touch her hands and hold them which was nice. I started escalating with her slowly. I told her she was awesome and we were going to a wine tasting event tommorow in another town. I handed her my phone saying give me your number because your coming with us tommorow. She was down to join us and once I had her number I called it so she had mine as well. Roshi saw me number close her and came over to me tapping me on the back. I told her to hold on a second and he started arguing with me right in front of her saying that was my set and all sorts of other bullshit. I told him that I didn't mean to but his body language and everything made it clear to me that he handed me the set because he kept leaving. He got all fired up and took everything personally and the wrong way so it got ugly. It was a long story but the guy was just drunk and wanted to fight even earlier. I told him to let it go and calmed him down again. During the point he was arguing with me the girl told me that she would be right back but I knew she wouldn't and she never came back the whole night. I told him I meant nothing personal towards him but he took it that way so I told him to relax because it was a misunderstanding. We're after the skill not the girl but really if it's your set don't walk away from it and give me the impression that you let it go. Just because he let it go and saw me doing well he decided to argue with me and fuck it up for me anyways..........bad winging period. Once I thought everything was smoothed out there were no women sets in the surrounding area but one lone wolf and I'd give her an HB 4. I said fuck it if she's the only woman I'm still going to open. I went in and had a wonderful conversation with her for 10 minutes until I felt her vibe change and she told me she wanted to be left alone so I left her alone. I went back to Roshi who had two blonde women that he opened engaged in a conversation. I saw the two women from Denver earlier sitting nearby so I went in and opened them. They were receptive at first but one of them was extremely drunk at this point and the other answered her cell phone having a conversation right in front of both of us ignoring us. The woman I was left with was so drunk I ejected on a good note. Thank God lol! I realized Roshi had the two set of blondes hooked at this point and I immediately knew which one his target was so I came in interview style to the obstacle. They were both really into us so we actually ended up staying in this set from 2 in the morning until 5 in the morning. I number closed the obstacle while Roshi went to the bathroom and his target starts giving me IOI's again. Here's where this whole scenario gets interesting. Roshi's target tells me how he is creeping her out and that he got mad because she told him straight out she wasn't fucking him tonight. Roshi was really drunk and groping her from what I could see plus very reactive to her when she told him I'm not fucking you tonight. His needy and reactive behavior was slowly starting to blow both of us out of set. However, I had the obstacles number seeing as how she liked me and so did the target. The target kept talking shit about Roshi every time he went to pee and I kept saying positive things about him regardless of what she said. I had to cut her threads several times to do this as well. It started to turn 5 a.m. and Roshi started groping his target. She looked over at her obstacle and I with really creeped out eyes and then said to her friend we gotta go. The girls ignored him and said bye to me at this point because he just basically killed it for the both of us. All in all an excellent night though and I had fun minus being around Roshi. I'm not going to get into it but him and I are no longer friends since I've dealt with his drinking problem etc for years. I can't swim on my journey in becoming a master with an anchor so I cut him from my life for good since nobody or anything is going to hold me back now. The HB4 stalked me on plenty of fish and the HB 8 at least text me back the next night but Roshi basically killed all sets of this night even though I still had fun. Hope you all enjoyed and by all means give me some feedback! ~Red Man~
Like the 'tude Good attitude and mindset You are hanging in sets super long, like the one for 3 hours, even though your friend is fucking up. Thats good because my attention span dissipates after 20 minutes. Roshi sounds more bashful than masterful...I was just out with a friend who was walking into my sets and calling girls "whores" right in front of me. I think if your friends/wing really suck, it does bring you down even if the girls like you. They link his antics to you like hey we like RedMan, but he's with his creepy friend...is it worth both of them? When I am out with a friend who is cool, we know instinctively that if a girl/target shows more interest in either of us...we just swap girls. No need to freak out and cause a scene. Ohh and don't feel bad about the $34 3 drinks....I had a $22 vodka tonic Saturday and wanted to kill myself when I got the check... I bet you would do even better if you still went with a friend for fun, but break off into separate sets. So you can do your thang alone and still make it back to a bro if all else fails. What do you do when you number close a girl infront of her friend? I'm always worried if the other ones will get jealous or try to manipulate even if you've won them.
I really liked the story with the HB4 POF Stalking girl haha.. esapcially that you approached her even if she wasn't your typ red man:thumbup: I think in such a situation you have to learn to handle it alone. Of course it's easier if you have a good wingman with you, but what if the friend of the hot girl you want, isn't hot or not the type of your wingman? It's time wasting...:thumbdown: learn to handle such sets alone, because in the end it's easier.. as i read this FR and your Fr in the other thread Earl, i just thought: This is the reason why i only go out with friends, if i really wanna only party with them, cause it's just a pain in the ass to read FR about friends which cockblock.. here is a nice old thread from karea to this subject: http://www.seductionscience.com/forum/7181-does-going-out-wingman-make-sense.html my two cents PS: keep us updated what happens with the hb4 redman.. ;D
The hb4 LOL!!! No way bro I am definitely not wasting my time with her. I just spoke with her to excercise my social muscle. Not only was she not attractive but had low self esteem along with a drinking problem as well. Your right about handling the scenario alone with getting the girls number. Just make sure to win the friend over and get her to like you as much as possible so she doesn't cockblock. Include both of them in on the conversation. Also number close the friend as well if possible so your making a new friend as well regardless. IAM you brought up all excellent points. I will comment on yours and Earl's field reports as well. I have three more to write and I'll get them up as soon as possible on here. Also going out alone tonight so we'll see how this goes.
Sandee your right and that's exactly where I was. The bar in the middle with the guitars. Went and sarged there alone last night. Tonight went to Fort Lauderdale with a wing and it went great. God damn I have so many field reports to put up and thank you soo much for your input I appreciate it and will definitely take what I can from it.
