Hey guys. I need your help on the next situation. For instance, I meet a new girl or an old girl again I have met earlier but not slept. In the end of meeting I say I like you, we should meet again, 2 days later, week later etc. She answers yes - directly or indirectly (smiling). But I face different obstacles when I finally arrange new meeting in the day of it. Suddenly she becomes unexpectedly cold and I can't find any logical explanation to this behavior. Or she has more important routines. So she gives any reason to postpone, to sabotage a meeting. But it looks like she doesn't want to lose my attention on her, only once I caught the answer - leave me alone - but all the same it looked like she regretted for such rigidity. The questions: 1. What does this resistance mean? Should I always respond with persistence? How to be resourceful here? 2. I also have a feeling that I'm jumping trying to find a proper time to call or to write her. Thinking is she in good mood right now etc. What to do? 3. I also have a feeling that l act like a man who wants to encompass her. How to clear her mind and relax as if she meets a girlfriend?
WSA, reading this I'm a bit perplexed... maybe you're not giving enough background information or perhaps you need to give us a specific experience from a concrete event that took place. Or maybe try to chunk down the question into smaller bits, because its sounds like a complicated way of asking, "How do I get laid?"
Jesse, thanks for the answer. I don't know how to chunk down my questions and at the same time adjust it to the forum format with 1-2 days delayed replies. Surely, it is not that I expected from the term 'personal coaching'. Do you have instant messaging program like Make the most of Skype - free internet calls and great value calls ?
WSA; I am getting the impression that you have some personal things to talk about and it is embarrassing. Embarrassing MAY mean, Secret Pleasure or something that is difficult to explain with other men viewing what you have to say. I think, we ALL have been "in your shoes" at some point in time. I would recommend, starting at some part in your life and working-up to the present. TM
Sorry man, I have been MIA - Missing In Action - this past week and not been at the computer hardly at all. That's pretty rare though. You need to persist, but sometimes in the moment you need to take a step back too. Momentarily step back, but long term be very persistent. That "jumping" feeling and overthinking it is a need to be LIKED and accepted by the girl. But this can backfire on you. See this link here http://www.seductionscience.com/forum/vip-lounge/942-guys-get-into-pickup-liked-popular-but-game-not-about-being-liked.html Do you mean how to clear YOUR mind and relax? See the link above - wanting to be liked will really make you hyper and anxious and jumpy
Thanks for the answers Actually it's not connected with embarrassment or private themes. But it's hard to write it down in one post with all details. No, I mean to clear her mind. OK, I'll be more sequential with one girl. First time I met her 8 months ago. It was by chance in subway about 10 times. Further we had about 5 meetings - all passed in a good mood. I felt she was attracted to me. I tried to kiss her but she resisted. After that there was a quarrel - and the reason I wanted to meet her more often but she didn't and after that she had a vacation and traveled. I tried to resume meetings after she arrived but it was becoming worse and finally it was broken. One month ago I resumed relationships. It was 3 meetings and i tried to be persistent as I can - said you are wrong about me etc. And she gave in a little. But again I see she escapes and I can't explain it. Last week I rang her and she answered "I can't talk now and I'll ring you back" and she didn't that. Now I wonder what to do next. Surely she is not the one girl in the whole world, but I don't want to give up.
Cool man, you certainly don't need to give up on ANY girl. But she's probably put you in the "friend zone". Part of that is based on the fact that you had 5 dates, and didn't touch her until you tried to kiss her. Too much time passed without you getting physical. You need to get more physical with her. Poking her, thumb wrestling her, tickling her, spinning her... and act like her big dumb brother that just playfully teases her and touches her. And stop trying to say "I love you" and making her your wife. But how will you even meet up with her again? She's not even returning your phone calls -- maybe next time when you manage to get a date with her, we can work out a concrete strategy.
Yeah, It would be nice to create a strategy. Now I'm planning to ring again in a few days and I hope she will be in a better state. That's all plan. You're right, but it's hard for me to do it free and easy. After she resisted to kiss I immediately asked to hold her hand - so holding her hand once is the maximum I achieved physically with her. She's older than me for a one year. I'm 26. I insist that it's not important. One month ago she said me directly 'You know you are a good guy and I'm sure you will be a good man, but I don't see my man now'. Then in the talk I made some progress - she corrected herself without any pressure from me - you are a man. Anyway such phrases causes concern, I need to get rid of it.
Keep us updated. Yeah, that's not enough. Asking permission to hold a girl's hand AFTER you tried to kiss her is not a good physical escalation. She sees you as unworthy. That's all just nonsense girl babble. She wants to see if she can affect you by talking nonsense - and she is affecting you. That makes you unnattractive. Just ignore anything negative she says, ignore it completely and do NOT dwell on it!!
LMAO!!!..Girl-Babble!!! I just told someone that my life is soo EASY!!!..NO one gives me any SHIT!! Then I thought about what I just said and thought, "Women give me, SHIT"!:lol: They do it, A LOT!!!:lol: Most of the time, they seem to be just fucking-with-my-brain. One woman told me I was, NICE!! (She knows better than that!!). I told a woman I bought a watermelon, for $6.00 just down the road. She told me the guy was selling them for $1.00! (She was lying!!). I used a hypnotic technique on a woman. She said she knew someone else who does it. (I am the ONLY person who uses it!!..and I told her!!). One woman told me she knows of 4 men who can have multi-orgasm!!! She was, LYING!!..and I told her!!! TM
Phone talk happened. It was long. No needy tonality or blame from me. But it seems I was too persistent, steadfast and it's unlikely I relaxed her why talking. She said that 'You hurt me'. Not sure is it girl babble or not. But I don't want to hurt her at all. How to deal with that? I said nothing about love and marriage as it was advised here (really I didn't say it before - only subtle hints), but I said 'I want to make your life easier, I want to solve all your problems that prevent us to be together'. But she refused my help that time. Also she said 'I don't have motivation to meet guys' (looks like it's not connected with me personally). She hinted at negative experience here. How to deal with that and drop such feelings out of her? One of her favorite questions was repeated again 'You're so active with me, what do I have to promise you?' I answered 'Just keep connection, do not hide from me'. Better answer?
Just ignore that... It's just in her head to test you, see if you'll slovenly try to kiss her ass. That's like asking her to marry you. Of course she'll say "No"... that wasn't good. It comes across as needy. You're not her therapist. Talk about stuff that YOU are passionate about, and get her excited about that. She has other girlfriends to talk about relationship issues with.
Jesse, thanks for the answer Any other recommendations? I'm going to be persistent and passionate further and dispel all her negativity. Last time she said 'I need more time to decide and I want to do it myself'. It means to wait - that's not suitable for me. However does it mean to be easier and take longer step backs?
Ahhh...WSA, I am getting the impression that you are making mistakes by NOT being what can be called following the Reckless Program. For instance when you said: "But I face different obstacles when I finally arrange new meeting in the day of it. Suddenly she becomes unexpectedly cold and I can't find any logical explanation to this behavior. Or she has more important routines. So she gives any reason to postpone, to sabotage a meeting. But it looks like she doesn't want to lose my attention on her, only once I caught the answer - leave me alone - but all the same it looked like she regretted for such rigidity". I have experienced such events where I talk to a woman, arrange a get-together and out of nowhere, she changes her mind..in other words she FLAKES on me. I personnaly think, you are NOT conveying to her that you are confident in being a MAN and I think you MAY be coming-off as NEEDY. This is a difficult situation to resolve. I believe you need more experience with women and better KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM on your part is needed. TM Note: I am taking a stab at this.
Hey WSA! I think we havent been introduced because of being MIA D), so Im Tiger, nice to meet you, and I may have something for you on this topic: Maybe this is not your fault, maybe its the girl who has the issues, like for example she is seeing somebody and she she feels guilty so she backed off and tried to "freeze" you, but also feels guilty about you... Or maybe it is you: as I understand you had one good meeting and then you never seen the girl again, but you keeped on calling her. She liked you in the first meeting, but she though that unfortinutelly you werent magic prince on the white horse and that YOU couldnt make the 2nd meeting happen. Or maybe it combination of the two that basically resulted in you pushing and not giving her enough space. It wasnt natural, rather fake. Personally I think you did great in the meeting but you didnt create enough energy for the next meeting to happen... What do you think about it? Cheers, Tiger
TM, certainly you're right, I don't have a great confidence, that's why I'm here and in the program. It seems like you suggest me to loosen with the girl and pay attention on a better preparation - passing the program. Is it true? Hi, Tiger I think the same, I mentioned it here. But I have to find a way to resolve it without being noticed. And I don't have an opportunity to resolve it through her girlfriends or parents. It could be of course. Sometimes girls don't know what they want. They stick to the daily routines waiting at the same time for the magic happens INSTANTLY. I'm not sure, my passion seems to be natural, no fake. Yeah, now I think the same that on the last meeting I could be more energetic.
WSA... you can back off for two to four weeks, don't contact her AT ALL. And then call her up. It shows you don't need her, creating the space or the vacuum of your attention might make her realize she misses you. And you're still being persistent by calling her up. You also need to begin to work out a strategy to meet new girls in the meantime. Otherwise you'll just be sitting at home working yourself up too much about this one girl, living in fantasy about this girl, and it will make you too eager to please her, win her approval, and be liked when you call her up -- because everything is riding on this ONE girl, which isn't a good situation to be in.
Hmm, I've put what I said in the gray colors so that you could have more space for interpretation. You did interpret, but maybe not in the best way, so let me put it little more black and white: TM should answer this question, because he knows better what he means, but I think putting to much effort in preparation is like studying routines, because first and biggest advantage of routines is preparation. On other hand preparation may be doing exercises that Jesse gives like for example voice, and this would be of course bonus for when you go out. Why dont you want to be noticed? You WANT her to know that you are attracted to her, and you shoulnt make surprise out of it, like you know "surprise, actually Im attracted to you"... Working through friend and family is needy approach to the situation, because its almost look like you want someone else to convince the girl that she needs to look at you... doesnt work in my experience... Yes and no. Yes because as you said they dont know what they want and no because you must be this magic, not the magician in the meaning that you must make it happen so natural that she even doesnt understand whats happening before it happend and latter tells her friends "it just happend"... Ok, that good, but there is always something you are doing that is needy in one way or another. Everyone does that. I bet even Jesse. Here you completely miss understood me. Jesse says and I quote, that you dont have to be in the state all the time. Its not about being energetic, but to create energy. Example you should understand: have you seen trilogy Twilight, New Moon and Eclipse? (I have only seen the 1st one) The guy there isnt running marathons to impress the girl, instead he creates the air of mystery, that creates intrigue, that creates the need of discovery and energy toward unknown... Other example: James Bond. Although he runs marathons and does all this cool stuff, when it comes to seduction he put on the table something different. In fact all the great seducers you know and see on TV or wherever are not as energetic as you'd expect them to be. They have energy and they know that they can use it when they need to, but dont use it to impress the girls. I hope I didnt confuse you more. Tell me what you think about it now. Cheers, Tiger
Tiger, thanks for the detailed reply Yeah, I think so, but if I'm attracted, if I want her to know that - it automatically means that I'm in needy state of her. So I'm trying to find a happy medium here. I agree. Ok, I see. The best way is to be oneself. And I adhere to it. But sometimes you know I don't want to miss a moment and I have a lack of the instant magic directed from me to a girl, so I expect more from myself in that moment.