OK, so after leaving Gym Girl alone for a week I sent her an epic neg text (Credit AKM) Hey name, its a shame you were to shy to meet me out lst week. nooooooo im not, im sorry i have been meaning to cal you I was caught up in Philly You didn't rob a bank or anything up there did you Hahahaha yeah that was me Great, now you have money to buy me drinks Hahaha Im out of tow till wed, how does mid week work for u? I am free wednesday I will call u then when I am back in town ok then Call her Wednesday, leave a voicemail. Tone of voice was good, could have been more playful, "Hey name, lets get together tonight! Give me a call when you get this, take care." She calls back while I am walking the dog. I tease her a bit and say, "Wow, every mail box just has to get peed on...for conveinience sake, meet me at xyz at 8, how does that work for you?" We meet up. She got there early. She called me asking where I was and that she "is usually, like, 30 mins late" I should have teased her but was too busy singing along to Deep Purple to get into state. Told her I was impressed. Get to the place (country club bar). I wanted to hug her, but she was already seated with a drink. I confidently said hey, and touched her back firmly. There are alot of old people around. I begin talking really loud about animals, teased her about wanting a Paris Hilton wuss dog. Anyway, she tells me she is a model for Calvin Klein and some other high end shit and travels to runway shows every week. I say, "what, like hand modeling?" and shrug it off. She looks at me like she has heard that before, knowing how hot she is. I think I am fucked, I gotta step shit up. So instead of giving her a sassy comeback, I just sat there and did not say a thing, there was a long awkward silence but I held my eyecontact right on her, without saying a thing till she started talking again. She tells me about how she goes to the runway shows and parties and how easy it is to get money. I say, "Wow are you trying to impress me?" But she does not pick up on the sarcasm. I talk about travel and tell her about cool places she can go and ask her about where she has been. Anyway, for a bit in the start I did not carry awesome conversation or teases, she wasn't giving in as easy as most girls, and was constantly trying to talk over me. I remembered that EVERY THING I SAY IS GAME. I let silences come and go. After the initial superficial talk, I found we really had a bit in common. I kept light touch, on the arm or thigh while talking about anything. She told me about her relationships. Turns out, both our dads are rich and cheated multiple times on our moms and divoriced them at the same time. She really opened up talking about this. I tell her this is something I NEVER talk about. Tell her something very personal while holding her thigh and looking into her eyes. I then go to the bathroom. Come back, say 'enough divorice talk" and ask her about movies. We have the same taste. I tell her she can take me to the movies some time. She is not having cocky funny at all, even after I persisted and teased thru it. I may be in over my head. She tells me she has no problem paying for things for guys, but expects to be treated with respect and surprised or taken out occasionally, as she just got out of a 3 year abusive relationship. I somehow, miraculously start talking about sex, and lesbians and threeways. She tells me she has gone all the way with her best friend, who is also a model, who she showed me pictures of. I said, "cool, shes cute. Anyway, its awesome you are so forthcoming about sex and fantasies, most girls are not as honest or upfront as you." We talk about how girls know eachothers bodies better and she enjoys sex with girls, but does not want a relationship. I hold eyecontact and say, "you need a man. You want a dick." She laughs and agrees. The way she talked about sex with men tells me she has not been in a good sexual relationship. We leave, I hold out my arm and she takes it. I put my hand on her back and lead her to her car. We talk a bit, the energy was a bit weird, as I wanted to go Caveman, but she only played with her hair a bit during our date and we did not have many long eye gazes. She only reciprocated touch once or twice (better than never!) Most kino I got was touching her arm our thighs breifly while talking, and I brushed her hair away once. At her car, I gave her a huge melting hug and said she was such a naughty nurse (shes in nurse school) I began kissing her on the lips, wish I could have had more eye contact or passion. It only lasted briefly as, when I grabbed her ass, she touched my chest but then backed off and opened her car door. She said playfully, "I will make your every fantasy come true " She wants me to take her out for ice cream tomorrow. I should have and wanted to tease her about how "she needs to slow down, I'm not that easy!" But she was not having much of my cocky funny. I did pass one MASSIVE TEST about smoking pot. I told her I have smoked only a bit and had a few good times, but it is nothing I do regularly. She kept pining me as if she was trying to smoke and did drugs ad acted a bit mroe flirty. I held my opinion and she finally stopped and agreed and told me she felt the same way. In retrospect, I feel like on some level, it was a small test and she wanted me to keep going for her when she opened the door. But I did not have any outright flirting from her during the night and barely any kino was reciprocated. I got the feeling during the whole evening that she knows how hot she is, and what guys go after. I never once complimented her looks, but on some level I don't know what to do to take it to the next level. If/when I see her tomorrow, do I need to go even more extreme teasing and physical? I found myself floundering for a respose to alot things she said, and she was constantly trying to dominate conversation, sometimes winning. I mostly just kept speaking louder, and if I stumbled I would just gaze into her eyes/lips and say "whatever" really indifferently. She is cool, and on a very deep level we have alot in common. Not so much on superficial things like fashion, music, etc. She is also a 10, and this is crazy and I can not believe I just went on a date with a model and kissed her off my first Day Game approach. KEEP ME IN THE GAME DUDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbup:
congratz earl, very nice. I think the hardest problems could occur if you think: "oh she is a model, 10, bla bla bla" and you are giving her more value than yourself. And as a result you maybe start to not act as your true self, as a man. if you start to think in a conversation that she has more value than you, just imagine where she will work in ten, twenty years, as a nurse... after the beauty of youth will be gone... keep up the good job
Thanks AKM If I get too in my head thinking about negs, I end up stuffing them up. Unknowingly, I pulled off a few along the lines of, "Ohh boy, sorry Princess..." etc. What was weird is how at first she came off as all prissy with the modeling bit, but then really opened up. She KNOWS how hot she is, and she comes off as super confident, like how a guy PUA would want to be. BUT...on some level, I feel like deep down, she is very lonely. Hence why, in the first lame 15minutes she invited me out to every place she talked about. I don't know if I should just straight up ask her if she is lonely or not? "When we first met, you come off as so confident, but I can't help but feel that it can push people away. I wouldn't be surprised if deep down, you are lonely." After thinking about the abusive relationship bit (I told her to spare me the details, focus on the positive) and how much she hates her dad, I would not be surprised if she has some serious Rape Fantasies. (that would rule!) The bit about, "I'll make your fantasy come true." Seemed more playful and was said as I left her car. She asked me if she comes across as a good girl or slut, to which I said, "ahh every girl's fear....to be labled a slut...well, you seem nice, but I'm more excited to see the naughty nurse side of you, princess." If we go for ice cream today, I was planning on keeping it purely playful. Nothing serious, I told her its a "good ol 1950s ice cream date." So I would only break into the serious fantasy talk if I don't get her back to my place and kiss more. I would LOVE to turn the Vcard dynamic on its head. Because, fundamentally, I feel like she needs to know how lucky she is. My biggest fear is that if not done right, she may feel betrayed like, "who was this badboy/guy? Was he pretending to be someone else the whole time?" (I don't know how to bring that up after only seeing her once.) And then she bails. Less risky would just be seeing how instincts take over, and then telling her after. It's still laying a model, and a very smart girl. I'm going to compliment her on her work ethic/personality, only looks while escalating/sexual intent. Compliment on how much her mom loves her, etc. Can I just say, "yesterday we talked about the difference between sex with guys and girls, I'm more interested to hear about your experience." Is that cool?
Sandee, I like the bit at the end about being chill. Something I def need to do. A few details got glossed over. I am going to back off cocky-funny in general and just use very dominate humor. We had a couple really tense, testy moments early on. She kept asking me to order food, after I said I wasn't hungry, and how I have to help her eat. I tease her about how she will make a mess. She orders food and continues to barrage me into eating. After shrugging it off or just saying I'm not hungry, she kept trying to break me. I looked her in the eye, smiled and said, "Gee, I guess I can try this new experience with you, but only if you say please." She waited a sec, looked away and said please. She fed me a clam and she had this defeated look on her face. A similar thing happened when she cut me off during a story. I did the "heyo, attention back here! Daddy's talking," bit and she looked so pissed/challenged. Fortunately, my awesome story had her laughing and we moved past it. The drug thing was becasue her ex was a huge pot head and her model friends all do coke and have eating disorders, and she hates that. Glad I always stick to my guns. The more we talked the more I realized how much I admire her qualities outside the looks department. She is an Alpha female, who, like me, knows nothing but betrayl from the people who are supposed to love her. Our lives line up, freakishly, note for note. I understand her at the core of her being. I backed off and changed threads during comfort, because I did not want the negative emotions to anchor to me. I am trying to keep my chill, my head is cool, my actions calm. But I think alot about her because, even though we hung out once, I feel like we understand eachother on a core level. I have been having a hard time eating, and my brain knows what I am doing to myself, I just know my body is reacting poorly and reliving shit from the last person I cared about (oneitis). I am most attracted to her because of how we relate to eachother. She bailed on the ice Cream. No biggie, I'll call her in a few days. Here are the texts: How excited are u for ur first black and white shake!? hahaha I was so excited! But i forgot I have 3 online tests tonight. Bummer. (thought she was trying to avoid hard) Bull, taste test is way better Hahha i know right! So lets go, you know you will want a break Maybe next week I didn't text back, as I know she knows we are both Alpha and I don't need to chase her as hard. I just text direct so she gets a persistent vibe from me. Hopefully she will initiate a text or call over the weekend. I will call her Monday if I do not hear from her. (We are both out of town now)
The next step Dude, so Monday came and went and I have not heard back from her. I called her Monday afternoon when it was really nice out. Left this voicemail: "Hey Girl, I thought of something awesome and fun we can do today. Chill. Relax...but...you gotta call me back while it is still light out! Hear from you soon, take care." I spoke quickly and with certainty and left a curiosity hook, as a surprise for her. I get the feeling she knows that a hook is being used just to get her attention. I only call/text her on days that I am free (every 4 days). How much is too much/often? If I do not hear back from her, if I text her something super direct, no bullshit on Thursday, would that be a cool plan? i.e. Name, it is beautiful out. I want to take you to the park and share a glass of wine. When are you free? I am clearly the one chasing and investing. She knows that since she is hot and kissed me, that she expects guys to chase now. Am I on the right track to keeping it direct, dominant, and non-needy? I keep thinking about the weird energy and my rocky start on the date, but then I tell myself that I still kissed her and she invited me out to future places with her. I figure if she wasn't interested at all, she would have never bothered to text anything back. This sort of confusion-hot/cold is what I need to cause in her, and I can't seem to be able to understand it. I know if I can get her on a low-key second date, I will have her.
If you don't hear from her, I would call her in 2 weeks or around this time... because come on, why shouldn't she call back or text back, if she really wants you? Cause girls which are hot for you will call you back, and they will even call you if you didn't called them back. I don't know how or why, but for me it seems like she is a bit attracted but probably not hot for you. my 2 cents
Agreed Sandee. I def call her and show interest. The thing is, I can not get a read on her. It would be nice if she would text me out of the blue, but I always have to initiate everything. So if I do NOT hear from her, should I wait until next week? That would make it 2 weeks since we last saw eachother, and I fear that any forward motion I made on the seduction would be waned. I think she is attractd/intruiged but not crazy about me, which sucks. She hasn't added me on Facebook yet, and cmon, you can get a random girl off the street to do that in seconds. Looking back, I think my frame for the date started out as "let's see what thi girl has to offer," and then changed to, "Be cool, don't fuck this up." I don't think I ever qualified or showed upfront, direct intent because I overcomplicated the whole "model" bit and didn't want to go overboard about her looks. Any attraction was generated purely by voice tone, body language, touch, and eye contact. The only things I consistently get right. Gimme a hint for follow up game. I got into Game to find a girl like this, and I will make her mine. I would do just about anything for her to be at the gym when I go tomorrow. I do not want to have to start from scratch or lose her interest.
