Hi Jesse, Although I was quite satisfied with my approach on sets; I am stuck when there is two girls and I am interested in one. I usually entertain both girls. While touch escalating the girl I like; I run the canned automatic routine which keeps the girl entertained and I can focus on HB. I get relatively good results with this one. Last saturday, I went to the club doing the openings. I warmed up with some throw aways. At the club; there I tried jumping into sets. Was fun Biggest obstacle I faced was with sets of two girls. Although, I got the HB really into me; I get her friend pulling her away. 99% of the case she gets pulled away. What am I doing wrong or did I miss sth with this new approach? The other thing is the group of girls say they are moving to somewhere else in the club. This is where I am not sure what is best? I normally decided to follow them; it did give me results but I was being fake. I liked where I was and if I was really alpha, I would have kept to where I was and grab the girl get her to stay with me. If she decides to follow her friend her bad... What you think?? Appreciate your help. By the way, very nice to be back. Peace kdmprince
Befriend the obstacle, game your target. this used to happen a lot to me when I started out, i would get crazy attraction from the target but the obstacle would always pull her away. this is specially true during night game. what i did that helped me(might help you) is i befirended the obstacle from the start of the approach.
The best way to handle this is to have a buddy with you who occupies the friend. It takes a lot of the work off your shoulders. But let's assume that you're out by yourself here. A good strategy is to talk to BOTH girls in the same way. So if you're talking about some story, you tell it to BOTH girls. If you're telling the girls that's they're cute, you tell it to BOTH girls. Verbally, you treat them pretty much the same. The difference is, on your target girl, the girl you like, that's the girl that you actually get PHYSICAL with. Because talking to the girls makes the comfortable and can make them like you - become friends. But it's getting physical that makes the girl horny for you. So if you talk to both girls the same, they'll both like you, but physically escalate fast on the girl you like and she'll get attracted. Another great thing to do is if you see that the friend may cause you problems, to just grab a random guy next to you and introduce him to the female friend. Guys LOVE to be introduced to women and it can keep the female friend occupied at least for a few minutes.
Feedback Hi guys. Thank you for your feedback. I think I was not clear. I know the approach of negging the HB and then suck her in or use of touch escalation while entertaining the other girl and try to get the friend to LIKE me. I am working through the NVSMC program. I like the concept and without realising was doing some of this stuff. I want to try this: - No wingman or indirect help. - Not looking for approval from the other girl or group. Just fall for the girl and hook her. Can this be done? I have not been able to pull this through using the direct approach ever. I will try again next Saturday night ). kdmprince
You can definitely fall for the girl and go in hard on her. BUT her friends MAY try to get in the way. Especially in a 2 set, the one girl will feel left out and grow uncomfortable and try to butt in. Simply because girls hate the feeling of being alone. So you can go in hard on your girl, but you'll need to pay attention to her friend after a minute.
Totally agree. i think the easiest way to do it would be with your suggestion of grabbing a random guy and bringing him into the set. i did this at a pool party once and it worked pretty well for me(bathroom pulled my target) so i definitely recommend doing this one. also remember that your target girl might not be up to your standards so sometimes you can ditch and move on to the next set even before the "obstacle" or friend becomes a problem. no matter how many 2 sets or group sets you see there is always a hottie by the bar getting a drink real quick, or on her way to the bathroom, or outside smoking. these are the times when gaming would be a lot easier.
Last saturday night HI, I hit the clubs sat and sun nights. I had some some awesome feedback and I am getting addicted to opening up girls with huge bitch shield. I think I might need some feedbacks on few things. I approached about a dozen sets; mostly had two girls. These are the ones where the outcome did not make sense to me. I was talking to a group of two girl. The 8 coming from England and the 5 was from Australia. I did a direct approach with strong eye contact: the 8 girl seem to hook straight away. I complimented the friend (5) on as much things I could see to disarm her. She did make an attempt by asking her to come to the toilet with her. BUt the british girl wanted to stay. So, I said to myself I am in. The girl was really interested until I grab her palm and tried to read it. She pulled her hand back and she smile sadly: "I like you but I think you do this to all girls. I don't feel I a special to you", before I could react she left. Her friend, the 5, tried to get her to stay but she just walked away. I thanked her for the feedback but I was really genuinely interested. I was approached by a set straight after: A cute blond(8) and a red-hair beauty(9). I disarmed the cute one by a few genuine compliments that get her blushing. The red-hair casually ask me about my drink. I was having a virgin mary with a spicey mixture. I grabbed her hand and started talking. Things were going well until I wanted to try a projection. I told her we totally should get married and about having kids etc... She seem to have fun with the projection at first. Then, she suddenly decided to go and she walked away after that making some excuses... Not sure if projection is a good idea at all or am I doing it wrong. I had a bit of a laugh with the super hottie of the club. I walked to her and commented about her looks and if she had anything else. She ignored me but I kept talking. Her friend hugged her and said she is taken and they were dating, I told them that it was fine and I would date them both at the same time. They did not what to say. I held eye contact with the hottie. She giggled then asked me to go away. Then the couple walked away. I was laughing at this when I saw another girl standing next to me at the bar. I approached her commenting on how hot she was. I hugged her. A guy showed up behind her and starting talking to her. Her female friend came from nowhere and started talking to me. She told me they did not know the guys and they have been following them all night. I grabbed the first girl while she was still talking to the guy and took her to the dance flloor. After about 10 mins, she realised she left her friend alone with these guys. She told me to wait for her while she check on her friend. She came back and apologised saying she wants to have a drink with her friends and if I could meet her in like a few minutes at one spot in the club. I don't like waiting on girls in general but she was so cool. I told her I need to check her on my friend and I will meet her there. I went to the bathroom but there was a line took like 10 mins. When I returned to the spot, she was not there and neither were her friends; I looked for her like 10 mins but could not see her.... I wanted to know if she was just flaking or maybe she had genuine reason. She seem really keen. I did not take her number which is a pity. This put my state down a bit and I could not get it back to original level... What are your feedback on this one? I mean what could I have done differently.
Maybe she got this vibe you weren't being genuine, you were running something that you've done 100 times. She liked you, she was already hooked, you could have focused more on just genuine back-and-forth sharing conversation and making a deeper connection... instead of running more "game" as you already had her. ? No idea. I wouldn't overthink it. Nice being unreactive and persisting! THAT's what gets girls attracted ! You probably just were gone for too long, they got distracted by someone else and they bounced. If you talk with the girl 1-on-1 for a deeper connection and focus on becoming a real person to her, it's less likely that she'll fall away. Also, you can get the girl's number up front so that you don't lose touch with them in case something like that happens..
Hi Jesse, Thanks for these awesome feedback; I agree with you. I am not sure what you mean by being a real person. I will have to be aware of this next time I am out opening girls. The thing as well is some of the canned routines are just something I do naturally like a habit. I think it is a habit I should lose.
Adventure projection Hi Jesse, I am struggling with adventure projection... When should I do it and how do I transition into adventure projection from the time I approach. Currently my approach is: Fall -> direct approach -> Talkative in happy and strong NVSC -> hook and bond. High success rate. Fall -> direct approach -> Talkative in happy and strong NVSC -> hook -> bond -> adventure projecture. low to nil success rate. Girls lose interest and attraction. I think I am doing it wrong because it appears to be a great technique from feedback on ur site. It would be good to know how and when you transition to adventure projection. It feels unnatural to do adventure projection before hooking the girl... Thanks for your help. kdmprince.
It's really to be used before the hook, as a means to physically escalate on her and push her away (create space and make her chase). At that point when she's hooked fully, you can MOVE her to a new place, like sit down with her, and talk one-on-one in a more regular conversation way where it's 50/50 and you're bonding. You can do adventure projection during bonding too, but keep it real low key.
Adventure projection Hi Jesse, With the adventure projection, I think I am just overthinking it. I will just do it before the hook point and see how I go... I will just open direct and go straight onto the projection and see what happens ... kdmprince
