We don't "NEED" Women. We Need our Inner Peace!!!

The problem with that seduction material out there, is that it not only teaches us how to
Seduce, but how to crave as well. Any interested person gets a lot of emails from Seduction related sites and authors spamming all the time, making him feel that there is a problem with him and that he needs women around him. The only way to SATISFY his needs is to buy the related Seduction Programs.

I don’t say that the programs are not good. Many Seduction Systems out there reveal real secrets about women but at the same time they create something called NEED for women…..

Generally, so many of us have an illusion inside of us, of how happy we would be if we had 10 women in bed at any time. We even blame our day to day difficulties on the lack of beautiful women. This goes unconsciously.

Guys. The secret here, goes beyond seduction systems.

WE DO NOT NEED WOMEN. And it is possible that we can gain feminine love, straight from the moving nature without the presence of a real Woman. (David Deida’s Theory, not mine). Even Yoga can give you energy without the need of a woman. You don’t need a woman. You don’t need her SEX….

Guys. Some of us are so needy but we don’t know it.
We approach girls we say Hi, we talk normally, but at a certain point we run away before that Needy Giant within us reveals itself. And we are wandering where the hell we exhibited any needy behaviour. We need women, don’t we? Even if you say no, inside you say yes.

Unfortunately in life when we want something badly it doesn’t come to us. If you seek for approval you never get it. If you seek for love to compensate your lack of inner energy, it will also not come.

Guys the secret here is that we do not actually need approval. And it is true that feminine love like David Deida said, can be gained from nature without the presence of a physical woman. It is possible to live happily without “external” love. So stop worrying.

If you are in a position, that you feel nobody wants you apart from your 2-3 stupid friends, beautiful women turn their back at your presence, and bosses fire you before you even begin the job. Parents (if any) and people around you blame your misery on you…..Stop and say…..


FUCK……Do I need all those idiots? Of course not. I am the best, and I don’t need the love or approval of anybody…..I have my own integrity and I love my own self. I am responsible of my own self and I don’t need anyone to control me.

Some of us guys, need to see the life from a Seducer’s eye. And the Ideal Seducer, live the reality, live the moment and he is not worrying about things he can not change himself. He Does not need approval, does not need love, does not need friends…Does not need bosses and does not need parents. A real seducer does not need the fucking world. He plays with the world and he enjoys it. He goes by the “sea” and he enjoys “fishing”. No matter who wants to join him, no matter if gets a fish or not. The real seducer never buys any drinks apart from tapped water, and he never gets hypnotized by the consuming trend. If no fish comes out it is JUST A FISH… And women for you fellow seducer is nothing more than a fucking Fish. Don’t see your self as dying, and your weigner crying. Forget about sex. You don’t really need anything in this fucking world. Enjoy the process and forget about the outcome. If no outcome then fuck it. Your self and you are enough to live happily in unison….

I am convinced that if we have this attitude towards the world we will soon have the world beneath our feet. That’s it. You don’t need the fucking world. You are self contained. You can live by your own. The most strange things will then happen to you Follow this action and you will find a lot of people falling into you including the hottest chicks. It is not you. You will still not need them because you already gain your power from the seeds, from the ocean‘s waves, and from the UNIVERSE itself. Any new relationship is an extension of the universe but not the Universe itself. People will need you and you feel sorry for that….The more you don’t need them, the more they will fall for you…..And you actually never need them. You can happily live without them. No norms. You don’t give a shit. No bosses, No fucking Women, Nothing. These people are there BECAUSE THEY NEED SOMETHING OUT OF YOU....Your strength your happiness, their security...If you can not provide shit they want they will not buy your goodness. They will try to be good and understanding but at the end they will attempt to get any open bills, paid OUT OF YOUR ASS.....Nobody needs goodness from a loser. Even your best friends are there because they have soemthing out of you. Even Win-Win deals are part of the game and they only ADD to the happiness. Win-Win deals don't only come from humans. A good advice can be a Win-Win deal and you can get it from books as well, it doesn't have to come from a Physical person, Woman or Sex. Conclusion. Only YOU and YOURSELF can make the difference and be really happy!!! You need fucking nobody in order to be happy. Can you get that?

If there is a chick that you desire and you need so much, unfortunately you have to forget about her. There are dynamics that go against you here, unless she already feels attracted towards you for some reason and she shows clear Indicators Of Interest. Otherwise there is no point to keep on needing her. The only way is to withdraw and stay for a couple of months in the previously mentioned state of mind. Then you will not only find the girl seduced by you but also that you no longer need her, dumping her the same way she dumped you before. Seducing her will be just a playful game for you. You know that the outcome will be irrelevant to your happiness. Just like a fisher who catches a fish, feels victorious, and then throws it back to the sea…..

You can LEAVE alone and be happy at the same time. Any new healthy relationships can ADD to your happiness but it is NOT your happiness. If you manage to believe that, you win the game………

(In case you feel so needy, it would greatly help if you burn a couple of sets. Even in the MSN messenger would be enough. Just tell them the true for the hell of it. That you feel so desperately in need of love and approval. Then see them running away and smile. Then say to your self. “That was a funny game. I believe in my self. This is enough –Beavis and Butthead approach”)


Alex

hey Alex

I like the new Avatar, I think, what does it signify?

Anyway, that is an interesting post. I have to ask where Jesse, in his literature, teaches that we "need" women?

I can't speak for other seduction community programs as I don't own any others but I have perused them, I have never seen the "need" for women as one of the items they say or teach. It is a drive within men to be attracted to them but I think we should learn to tame that feeling of need.

I know English is not your first language and maybe it is all in the translation but you seem very very angry at many aspects of authority in this world. From your parents to bosses etc. I am in no way critiqing your English though, on the contrary, I wish I knew several different languages.

Have you looked into where this inner anger stems from? Do you feel like your parents, bosses, teachers or others have abused you or lied to you in some way?

Thanks SHS.

The new avater represents our game. The web is the field and the Red points is the target.

No I don't say that Jesse promotes "Neediness" but the Sedution Industry in general wants us in need for Women. This is how they sell. Marketing is like this: "You Create the need....Then you release it"

Jesse as a Single authority, he does not represent the whole industry. He is one of the best in the field. He presents clear usefull ideas. I am talking about the marketing.

My Advice? Stay with Jesse but never follow the marketing techniques that the whole seduction industry is applying on you in order you buy their products. In other words. Buy Jesse's products, they will help you, but never read his front page TOO many times!!! This is true with all major sites.


You probably remember me from the past SHS, so you can relate something of what I said to my past.

Yes well you understand about anger, but actually I have been slaped from bosses, women, several times in the past because I was too needy for their "Services".

I am sure many people out there get their daily panishments for their needy presence.

Again Thanks SHS for your feedback

ALex

ok

Thanks for the advice Alex.

I do like the new Avatar then!!

In your argument wouldn't you have to say that all knowledge or search of knowledge is derived from a "need"? At the very least a desire and one could argue that desire stems from some kind of need.

I do not like to get too analytical with this stuff but doesn't it makes sense that you and I found this community because we recognized that we fell short in some areas of our life? Our involvement came from a need to improve not a need to be validated by others. In this improvement we are learning how to enjoy the company of others....in particular the opposite sex.

Just like school, through our younger years, we all needed the base education and then more education to find jobs so we could eat, find enjoyment, develop talents and contribute to society, because that is what this world expects and it is what we have to do to "succeed".

I don't think that at some point in your life you can draw a line and say "NO MORE!!" and believe that you are the center of all that is right in your world. Then make a statement that you do not need anything else. You can claim that, until you get hungry and thirsty, then you "NEED" to eat.

So I think the concept of neediness should be looked at a little closer here Alex. It is ok to need some things and desire others but not to be a slave to them because there are may sources to fullfill those desires and needs.

I hope you could look at it in a way that does not make you angry, it might help you advance in your mindset.

Yes I understand how anger can immobilize healthy ways of thinking, and I try to keep it on minimal levels.

If it is need for improvement then ok. But you have to accept your self as it is and be happy with your current state before anything else.

I would find improvement really difficult if I believed that "Without Women, Money, Best Jobs" life is miserable. And I was programed to feel as such. How can you improve if you are programmed to act so needy? Neediness always turns you down.

They call it Comfort Zone. Sometimes you need to start your life all over again. You can not see yourself improved, no matter how many seduction related books you read, if you are so addicted with your misery, and feeling so secured by it, scared from anything different. Leaving your job, your friends your negative environment, and throwing your self back to Zero, trying to feel wonderful from this level, is a victory on its own! This is the key for success and building new wondeful relationships.

This is what we Call "Red Emergency Button". If you see my last posts you will notice that I have already pressed it, I am starting from the absolute zero,

Alex

good luck Alex

I hope you find the happiness you are seeking.

I agree with New Alex's post, for the most part.

As for the seduction industry selling "need"... I've felt this, so I have to agree with New Alex. I feel this less and less as I improve my self-beliefs. I think people who enter the game feeling really bad about themselves will experience the promises of the seduction community as a sort of personal pain. Like today I was teasing a girl and she got offended: had nothing to do with me, but with her low self-esteem.

need vs want

Otherwise we would not purchase it, right? I don't quite get this but I'm trying, isn't this the whole basis of free enterprise, marketing, etc. Create a desire to own or use the product and/or tap into the already strong desire to look, feel, sound, better.

It could be argued that everything physical is just a manifestation of a need or inner desire so it is all a waste of time. So to be totally spiritual and in complete control of every aspect of your mind and body we should not interact with others, it purveys a need to contact, or eat, it purveys a need for sustanance and an admitted weakness, or excercise, it is admitting a need to have better health, or increase social skills, it shows a need to have others accept us and interact with us??

In actuality you are saying you should be happy to sit by yourself and have zero interaction or dependance and just exist in happiness and ALPHA status.......

Don't be too offended but most of us outgrew the center of the universe complex when we were younger. Please explain, I am missing your point.

Alex,
Yes, some seduction sites do market their products in a unique way, but you must also look who they are marketing too. The guys they are trying to help are at the end of their ropes. When you first came in contact with the seduction community did you have any knowledge about seduction? I would assume you bought this material to learn. I did too, but after buying some of the material I learned the ability to discern between ideas that I thought were valuable and those that I thought were trashy.
The books gave me a start. Then, I took on the responsibility of taking the information I learned, filtering it, and using it to improve my self. These books aren't the answer to everything, I agree completely with you. I also feel that it is our responsibility to take the information that we learn and apply it. These books teach us that no matter what situation we are in, if we really want something, we need to take responsibility to learn about it, strategize a plan to get it, and then keep doing this process until we get what we want. This goal can be to get 1 women, a 100 women, or extend into other areas of you life.
The author of these books didn't have some super understanding about life or women, but they approached this as a solvable problem. Also if you notice that going through this process they learned things about themselves that made them successfull in other areas.

Just throwing this out there. I agree with SHS that yes we're driven by need. But I have to ask all of you to think about it for a second. What exactly is so damn horrible about need? This negative stigma regarding "need" is really quite open to interpretation and is heavily altered by your perception. If I say you need food, you don't argue it, and you accept it wholly. Was it because I told you it was so? No, your experience has taught you that you require it for sustenance. Does that mean you have no choice of when or what to eat? No, of course not.

I see women the same way. For those of us men that are heterosexual, on some level each and every one of us needs women, it's biology. But it's a different type of need. It's a well-being need, as opposed to a survival (let's leave procreation and the human species out of it for the purpose of this discussion) need, but still similar. If you were in a room all day with food that you simply just hated, and you knew you were eventually going to leave the room, what choice would you make? You'd inhibit this "need" temporarily, until you've left, then go eat whatever you wanted. Same with women, but not so extreme. You COULD argue that you could inhibit the "need" for women indefinitely, but that differs from person to person. Again, it's not a survival issue.

So to bring this back to perspective with respect to marketing. The audience for these products is an adult audience. If they're told they "need" something and they believe it right away, that's not the fault of the marketer. If you were marketing something, would you downplay its usefulness, or make it seem like a great idea? And like SHS said, seduction programs never actually say you "need" women, so you can't hold them to that, but yes it's generally implied. And that's because fundamentally the two sexes were designed to mate, so there's no point in defying nature. But when it comes down to it, these programs provide you with ways to satisfy your need, as opposed to eliminate it.

Besides, you have to define the term need when it comes to women. Does need mean sex? Love? Support? I believe we all need interaction with the opposite sex, but it doesn't necessarily have to be satisfied through conventional methods. I'll use me as an example. Before I began using seduction theory and technique, I was fully under the belief that I could not live without having the love of a woman. After I started using seduction, the opposite actually happened. From your argument (that marketers suggest I need women), it would follow that my beliefs would be reinforced and I'd be even more in need of a woman. Actually the contrary took place. I've never felt more free. Now mind you, I still need to interact with women, and I feel my need is partially if not greatly fulfilled by simply having fun with them.

Bottom line: when it comes to anything other than food, drink, and sleep, people's needs differ. It's up to you to determine what they are and to what extent they're at, regardless of whatever influence may be out there (ex. marketing schemes telling you what you need).

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P.S. Hey SHS, I've got an opinion on the whole need/want thing. I think fundamentally, wants stem from a need, whether it's a need to please yourself (happiness?), or a need to achieve some goal (happiness?). Throughout, wants fall into place. What do you think?

I think you are absolutely correct to an extent.....wants are not always needs. Most needs are wants but not all. But then again, it is symantics and others could argue it differently.

I think there are basic needs and then there are wants and then there are other feelings/facts that follow as well. Most people have the same basic physical needs. However it can be argued that a single man does not "need" a woman, however mankind needs women. So we could go around and around this issue but overall I think to say that everything that is a need or a want is evil and bad is wrong.

Life should be a balance to be enjoyed, each person will balance it differently. As I said to Alex, I hope he finds happiness and I agree that right now might not be the best time for him to seek a relationship. We have been talking for a few years now and I feel for him and I hope he has this success, he has been trying very hard.

Alex I think the good things in life are something that we're pre-determined to seek with or without society telling us to.

I think it goes wrong with the immoral upbringing that many people receive. And that can come from a variety of things.

Many people learn too late (if ever) how to be happy with their body, with their mind, and with their possessions, if any.

I think the marketing is ok..it's one of those double edged swords just like anything else in the world. The root cause to the suffering is the bad upbringing people receive. Afterall how do I know what can bring me fun, blessedness, and useful material goods out there without marketing

I don't think it is Marketing that brings you everything you really need in life. Marketing creates the Tension, it doesn't bring any real need out to the surface, it creates it....

Paid Commercial.....
"Buy that car, and all women will fall for you. That product is the choice of the real men who don't want to waste a fortune...."

"Interpretation".
"Forget all your efforts you make to attract women. They don't work. That car is the answer. Don't buy it and you will be a loser for ever."

Your need now is not Women. It is a car....

Did I say something bad??? No No No... "We live in a free world!!! This is what our multi-billion in value company believes. Make your choice now before it is too late."


Alex

We have this great ability to convience ourselves that we need things that we really only want.

You only need three things: food, water, and safety. Everything else you want. Just because you want something really badly doesn't mean you need it.

AK

You need food, water, and safety to live. But to be happy? I think not, we are a highly intelligent animal after all. Unless of course you argue that we DON'T need to be happy. In that case, sure, wants can be done without. But if happiness is perceived as a need, then wants, which effectively give the illusion of pleasure, stem from this need to experience pleasure, and are subsequently transformed as branching needs. And if I may be so bold as to say it, pleasure leads to happiness.

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You can be happy with just food, water, and safety and whatever adventure the day may bring when you have control over your own mind.
Most people however around the age of 3 or 4 begin accepting other peoples perceptions on what can make you happy which leads to all your wants.
At the highest level AK is absolutely right, the question is how does one gain control of his own mind where outside influences do not create the perception of needs that simply are wants.
The irony of course is as soon as you get whatever it is that you think you need it is quickly replaced by something else.
Thats why rich people in general tend to live crazier lifestyles they already know that having the car and a hot woman isnt going to make you happy so they move on to bigger and crazier things.
It is also why drugs and alcohol are so big in society it is a quick way to eliminating thought.
I dont know how many times I have heard someone say I had a great time but I cant rememebr any of it.

Happiness is not a need, it's a state of mind. Anyway, this was beaten to death in the Taco thread, and I don't feel like rebeating it.

Wonderful choice of words

Yeah it sounds good on paper, but not very accurate in this day and age. for example. to achieve my goals, and do my job, I need a car. So a car for me is more than a want.

What's wrong with a horse?