Every man who enjoys going out and meeting women should be grateful to modern Feminism.
It’s why we men have so many attractive, available women to meet, attract, and jump into bed with.
And here’s why.
But first, a minority of guys in the game seem to absolutely HATE feminism and what they call “fem-cunts”.
Their basic argument is this,
(a) Feminism has made women fat, dress plainly, and look ugly and unfeminine.am
(b) Feminism has caused women to have “bitch shields” and love rejecting men.
(c) Feminism turns women into nagging, nasty bitches bent on controlling the man in relationships.
… and that only if we could return to the “good old days” where Mom stayed in the kitchen and Dad was the boss of the house, us men would have it so much better.
The myth of “The Good Old Days”
There really were no “Good Old Days”.
For most of human history, women didn’t wear makeup. They didn’t wear pretty dresses, and they didn’t wear high heels.
People lived on subsistence farming, and mass production didn’t exist yet.
Women didn’t smell nice either – they didn’t have perfume. Their nails were rough and broken… no manicures.
No irons to straighten their hair. No scissors to trim it. No razors to shave their armpits or pubes (it was a real jungle down there).
No braces to straighten teeth, and no toothbrushes to clean them. Expect a nasty mouth by your early 20s.
Clean clothes? Not easy if there’s no hot water or soap. Only royalty could afford that.
Hot water showers to clean oneself? No way. Unlike what’s depicted in costume dramas, even kings often didn’t bathe for weeks at a time.
Getting a hot blow job or trying fun sex positions? If there’s no books or media, she wouldn’t be educated and even aware of such things.
Life was generally brutal and short. Time needed to be spent working to get something to eat, and usually in the field. Or cooking in the kitchen.
And even if you did manage to sleep with another man’s wife (women married young, by age 16 typically) you could easily get yourself killed.
That’s IF you were rich enough to live at court or have enough money to own a horse to get around. And that’s a big IF.
And it was this way up until just 100 years ago!
So if we’re talking about “The Good Old Days” before feminism, and yet AFTER the industrial revolution and mass production and universal education, we’re talking about a very SHORT period of time.
The 1940s and 1950s – “when women were still women”
Guys who dislike feminism usually think back to the 1940’s and 1950’s.
At this point, make up, high heels, dresses, showers, toothbrushes and the idea of feminine hygiene had been invented… but still BEFORE the feminist movement of the 60’s and 70’s.
Women stayed at home, were feminine and obedient, and “men were real men”.
And yet, this culture was NOT ideal for meeting women and dating.
Women were still expected to marry the first guy they had sex with – and they usually did.
The nightclub and bar scene was very tame and limited by comparison of today. Club make outs, one night stands, and kinky sex were out of the question in the sexually conservative culture of the ‘40s and ‘50s.
Having a “good traditional wife” was little better. She went to church on Sundays and gave missionary position on Mondays. The era shouldn’t be romanticized.
A world today without feminism… yes, it exists! And what it looks like.
I lived in Colombia, South America for about 6 months.
Feminist-haters romanticize countries like Colombia as ;feminist-free zones’ where women still dress sexy and act feminine.
First, Colombian women dress sexy simply because the population is *younger*.
30 years ago, Colombian women still lived in dire poverty and had 6 to 9 children typically. Those children are now grown up and are young adults, so there’s simply more young people in the streets today – hence, they simply dress as young adults do.
The climate is also WARM through most of Colombia, making it a natural given that the women will wear less and dress more scantily.
In addition, Colombia is poor enough that most people don’t own a car. They WALK. And that keeps them lean and fit and visually accessible.
For all these reasons – that have nothing to do with “feminism” – many Colombian women dress feminine.
The ugly side of Machismo
Colombia is a very “Machismo” culture. And the law favors men over women.
There are very few laws for protecting women there. A Colombian man can bang a girl, get her pregnant, and move on to another girl with little consequence. He need not fear paying child support.
And men take advantage of that. Colombian men have a notorious reputation for being massive cheaters.
Thus, you’ll find an enormous number of abandoned single mothers in Colombia… and deadbeat Dads. And as a result, women are mistrustful of men in general – and extremely jealous when they’ve got a man.
This kind of culture is NOT conducive for breeding sexually liberated, promiscuous women.
Instead, a Colombian woman is inclined to date you without putting out for a long period of time to gauge your “faithfulness level” first. Once you demonstrate that you’ll be faithful and you’re trustworthy, only then will she sleep with you.
As a result, Colombian women are generally quite cautious about men and sex. Getting laid isn’t easy – at all.
Unless you pay for it with prostitutes, which is exactly what most Colombian men do.
In cultures where women are protected, it allows a much more sexually open society where the dating culture thrives. Which is perfect if you enjoy socializing, dating, and meeting new girls.
The REAL reason American women are fat
No doubt, many American women are fat and obese.
But is this really because of the scourge of feminism?
No.
Women are fat because of cheap junk food and a car-dominated transit system.
When a hamburger costs 99 cents and there’s a fast food joint on every corner, women will get fat.
When the grocery store has an aisle for soda, an aisle for potato ships, and an aisle for ice-cream, women will get fat.
When television, movies, and passive entertainment are cheap and ubiquitous (a legion of thousands of computer artists, marketers, directors and producers spend BILLIONS of dollars to keep you glued to the screen), women will get fat.
And when everywhere you go must be driven too, when cars invade all public spaces, women will get fat.
It has nothing to do with a conspiracy of women to piss off men, and has everything to do with America’s unique brand of capitalism.
It’s not feminism’s fault. It’s modern capitalism coupled with a massive automobile and entertainment industry at work.
The REAL reason women put their career first
Women who focus on their career has little to do with “feminists” and everything to do with the natural march of modern capitalism.
In the 1940s during World War II, there was a shortage of labor. Countries needed more workers to fuel their war efforts. Millions of men went off to fight while millions of women flooded the workforce to help produce the weapons and supplies. This was the case in the U.S., Japan, Europe, and Stalinist Russia.
The process continues. Today, businesses are driven to continually expand profits. And to expand profits, they need to sell their phones, televisions, new cars, kitchen appliances, and so on, to as many new customers as possible.
And when women are working and have earning power, that’s double the amount of people for capitalists to sell to. Women working long hours with big careers is a literal *godsend* and orgy to both business and capitalism.
As a result, you have more and more women working long hours – and less and less “stay at home Moms”.
It’s not because of brainwashing by a small group of radical feminists, but because of the billions of dollars spent by corporations to pull women into the workforce and turn them into wage-earners and consumers.
The REAL reason most women are unfeminine
Because you always see feminine women on television, in movies, in porn, and in advertisements, we’ve developed a somewhat warped and unrealistic expectation of women.
Throughout human history, this is how it worked:
A young girl started to look naturally hot at puberty. She had a young face, young skin, and her boobs and hips started to swell. This was nothing she *consciously* did. It just happened, biologically.
She didn’t have makeup, dresses, nice teeth, smell clean, or “try to look feminine”. It’s just at age 15, nature naturally provides women with attractive qualities – smooth skin, youthful features, coupled with swelling breasts.
Some young man then fucked her, and she got pregnant. She pops out a kid. And another kid. And another kid. And another kid.
By age 20 to 25, she’s looking like shit. Think breast-feeding boobs sagging, loss of muscle, hard work raising kids, and lack of sanitation. Hopefully, she lives long enough to see her kids grow before disease or famine kills her off.
The point is, women had neither the money, the technology, nor the time to “look feminine”.
So this desire of men to have women “look feminine” past their teenage years is a completely *NEW PHENONMENON*. It simply didn’t exist before.
And it’s NOT in women’s natural programming to try to look feminine. Women only looked naturally cute in their teen years, then looked like total SHIT in their 20s, and then FUCKING DIED in their 30s.
So most women lack the sense to dress up and look feminine. It’s NOT a feminist plot. It’s just how women are fundamentally programmed – they don’t give a shit.
Of course, some women figure out the “glitch in the matrix”. They learn to dress up, act feminine, and they get showered with attention and money from guys. Still, it’s a learned behavior that they figure out to manipulate guys, and NOT a natural impulse. As a result, most women don’t do it.
The REAL reason why women really have “Bitch shields”
As for women having “bitch shields”, this has nothing to do with feminism either.
Back in college I was friends with quite a few girls who were self-proclaimed “radical feminists”.
And to most feminists, feminism is a sex-positive movement that allows them to be more free with whom they slept with. And NOT a “man hating” movement to “control men.”
And I found the feminist girls were some of the EASIEST girls to get in bed with.
Just join up your University’s feminist group, run some game, and you’ll get laid like crazy.
As for “bitch shields”, if you display enough social value to a girl (leading her friends, having social proof, being clean, smiling, being positive, etc), it doesn’t matter what her ideology or her beliefs are, she’ll feel attraction for you.
She’ll throw out all of her “feminism” or, just as likely, “conservative social values” out the window to get with you.
A “bitch shield” is really just a way for a woman to test your confidence and self-value.
If you slink away at her first snub, it’s a sign of beta behavior and lack of inner confidence. But if you hang in there unreactive, the girl will “come around” and become attracted to you. This is an *innate* female behavior to weed out weak suitors, going on for thousands of years, and NOT a cultural invention of feminism.
The REAL reason why women are spoiled and demanding!
Depictions of women as drama-loving, spoiled, materialistic bitches is driven by corporate media and big money.
Of course, then there’s the other kind of “feminism”, which isn’t feminism at all.
I’m talking about the superficial, materialistic “girl power” culture where the woman feels entitled to walk all over men and live rich, while contributing nothing herself.
But these materialistic “girl power” memes are driven by business corporations trying to sell luxury spending – expensive cars, posh hotels, and overpriced clothes and jewelry to women.
It’s NOT being driven by feminists It’s being driven by MEN in corporate boardrooms who are looking to make lots of money.
The other source of superficial “girl power” are DADS and FATHERS – family men.
These men are driven to make money, and then they shower their wife and daughters with materialism and shelter their women from the real world. They treat their little girls like “princesses” and spoil them.
It’s a natural instinct as a Father to do this, but in the end it fucks women up psychologically. The woman develops a false sense of entitlement and becomes spoiled and demanding.
In either case, whether corporate driven or Father driven – it’s generally MEN creating the problem, not feminism.
The REAL reason why women are controlling in relationships…
It’s not in your girlfriend’s or wife’s personal interest to have you going around putting your dick into other vaginas.
So once you’re in an exclusive relationship with a woman, she’ll gradually attempt to reign in your independence. And if you don’t *constantly* stand up for yourself, the woman will gradually begin to control you. It’s in her instinct and self-interest to do this to her man.
Just take a look at Colombia, home of Machismo culture. Once you get into a relationship with a Colombian woman, they can become VERY controlling and watchful, and jealous. They’re paranoid that you’ll go chasing after other women, so they quietly take measures to begin controlling you.
And this is true of ALL women.
In Medieval times, even though the man had say over economic matters, at home the woman typically was very controlling of the household and micro-managed much of the man’s activities.
It has nothing to do with feminism, and everything to do with the female’s evolutionary instincts.
Women have been trying to control their mates and “neuter them” throughout human history. It’s in their instincts, and LONG before the idea of feminism ever came about.
Even if it WERE true… it would just fuck you up!
Even if feminism WAS the cause of all man’s problems, would holding that belief help your game?
Absolutely not.
The best guys in the game are very positive – almost delusionally so.
You get out of game what you put into it. When you’re positive and non-judging, women will spread their legs for more access to that feel-good energy.
As long as you’re non-judgmental, self-proclaimed feminists, socially conservative Christian girls, and all the woman in between will love you for your cool vibe.
That’s why I created Nonverbal Sexual Mind Control. The program installs confidence, playfulness, confidence, flow, and sexual intent, transforming you into the kind of man that ALL women love, whatever their age or ideology.
Because it’s not what you look like or how much money you make, but how you make women FEEL inside ultimately that decides attraction. Just click HERE to get the program.
But if you’re assuming up front that women are warped feminist man-haters, your state and energy will be weak and women won’t respond well to you. You’ll get more negative responses, further reinforcing your belief that women suck. You then start using the idea of “evil feminism” to cover for blind-spots in your game.
Look, we know the fantasy; to meet a hot, sensual, smart woman who is dedicated and loyal to us, free of female drama, and takes care of our masculine needs, sexually and otherwise. And this woman works to keep looking feminine through her older years and always remains hot.
But it’s never been that way – and never will be.
Even western men who go to Thailand to meet a “traditional wife” who takes care of her looks become solely disappointed. These marriages with “traditional” Thai women have incredibly high divorce rates.
So whining about feminism can only hurt your game. And it’s ineffective, because these are capitalistic forces at work much larger than yourself.
A man complaining about feminism is much like a middle aged woman complaining about wearing make-up and high heels to attract a man. But men will always be men – she has to play the game. She can’t change that. She has to play the game, or watch from the sidelines. And so do you.
So let’s not be bitter. Focus on feeling good, so that women can feel good feelings from you. For that’s the secret to attraction, and making relationships work.
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As a man I agree with this post. It’s very rare even in the “pick-up community” to hear any support of feminism because most negative attitude PUA types these days often blog about hating on women, trying to put women down, and complaining about feminism. I’m in favor of “pick-up/meeting women,” but not those bloggers who are constantly hating on women. Not many guys know about history like is in this Seduction Science post. This is probably the best time in human history for those of us who want to have some casual sex without being forced by a sexually repressive society to have to get married. I personally would not want to live in the era before the 1960’s because I do not want to be pressured to go to church and I do not want to be forced by society to get married. I’m glad we live in a time that while society overall is still very sex-negative at least there is just enough freedom to have non-married sex if we are legal age and we want to. The guys (many who were born in the 1970’s or 1980’s and never even lived in the 1950’s) who want to go back to the myth of that brief era do not understand this history and how much better it is now.
Yeah man 100% in agreement. Some of these other sites that are bitter against women give pickup a bad image.
A while ago I had recommended and showed this website to my boyfriend. As a new feminist that is feminine, submissive and sex-positive I came back to this website to see if I had missed any misogyny in it. Feminism fights for people to stop shaming women for having sex and being sexual, which in turn helps men and women have better sex lives and get laid. I have to say, this is a great website and I love it even more now and encourage my bf to read it. Thanks so much for being woman and feminist friendly!
–True, sex wasn’t often kinky in the 40s and 50s. But at least most young men were getting sex from their wives, unlike today, when only a small percentage of players can have sex, since each one typically services multiple women, who then ignore other suitors. For a man with average game or worse, the odds are stacked so heavily against him in the U.S. that his interest is better served by a non-feminist society. I’m such a man, and I’d rather have vanilla sex than no sex at all.
–True, U.S. women are fat mainly because of U.S. capitalism. That still means the U.S. should be avoided.
–True, capitalism is also the reason women work more. That doesn’t change the fact that doing so makes them less likely to be faithful, and that women from regions where they work less, like Colombia, are better partners.
–People haven’t routinely died in their 30s for 10,000 years.
Bottom line: feminism gives women the choice to spend their 30s slutting around. If a guy’s game is truly elite, he benefits from this by taking all the women who would otherwise be married to other guys for himself. These other guys, who would have each gotten a woman in less promiscuous times, get nothing. So if you’re a top 1% player, you may want to support feminism (though even many such players don’t, to their credit), but otherwise, you should recognize that it opposes your interest.
I’ll add that I attend college, have approached feminists, have taken women’s studies classes with them, and have dated a feminist. Dating a feminist is excruciating, slow to progress, and riddled with mixed messages as she second-guesses herself and tries to compartmentalize you into her often irrational, constantly shifting ideology. Even if she’s not fat, she’ll talk frequently about how doctors lie when they advise the public that being fat is unhealthy, and she’ll indicate that she sees no reason not to become fat herself. I’ve observed that feminists will also continue to sleep around for the duration of their relationships, though I got away from the one I dated before there was a relationship of any kind.
That should be “20s slutting around.”
One of the things I have noticed is that people in general have defense systems up around whatever it is that gets them charged up (points of view, beliefs, expectations, etc). If someone has gotten a certain reaction in response to a specific topic, they often start to defend against that reaction even if it isn’t there. They just expect people to respond a certain way (based on the past or not). So, if you continue to have no reaction, and respond outside of their known script (like “If I say A, they will say B.” and so on), they can’t really put you in that box anymore. Their scripts don’t work anymore. In relation to that, when you have a reaction to something someone else says, maybe it’s just a sign of some sort of expectation/belief/attitude that you yourself have.
I do think that women do it more, though. There is this saying in some of the work that I do that “Men will go to war, but women will do battle. . . all the time.” Once I heard that, I looked around me and realized that just about all of the women I knew (including myself) were in a constant state of battle — against anyone or anything, including themselves.
I, personally, think that there is a lot changing as far as gender roles (and many other social norms) and people are starting to really get that what THEY want might be something totally different — like women who simply have no desire to be a homemaker or necessarily even have kids and want to do something completely different. I’ve known so many people who think that they are oppressed by men or a patriarchal society, but they’re not actually fighting men; they’re just fighting themselves (and whatever beliefs they’ve acquired that say what’s “right”).
I agree with you there on the difference between men and women. Men will make a conscious decision to fight, or not. Women can “battle” silently all the time… and hold a grudge. Men (not all men, just generally) are more chilled out in that way.
Awesome article, Jesse. You definitely brought up some points that I hadn’t even thought of. For the people who were talking about this being an anti-capitalism article, I don’t think Jesse was necessarily blaming EVERYTHING on capitalism or even saying that capitalism is the only reason that people act the way they do. My guess is that if he decided to put EVERYthing he thought contributed to it, it could have been a much longer post.
After reading many articles from Jesse, as well as the comments in this post, something occurred to me. It is easy to blame the things you don’t like on other people, but bitching about it isn’t going to change anything. Jesse seems like the type of person who, instead of placing blame on other people or trends, is simply going to look at what is, and do what works. If you don’t like what you see, THAT quality is exactly what is needed to change it.
Great comment Kali. Something that tends to happen is that guys first blame their failure on themselves, based on what social conditioning tells them- “I’m not good looking enough”, “I’m not rich enough”, etc.
Then they find out that they can get girls with pickup, but they don’t execute it, or they don’t take care of their bad habits. Then they start blaming external bogeymen for their failures… usually along the lines of “feminism” or “bitch shields”.
But blaming bogeymen won’t get you anywhere in life. Life doesn’t owe you anything. It’s up to you to take action, execute, and get what you put into it.
Some very interesting points you bring up Jesse, just found this site and you have some really great things to say, i don’t know enough about American culture to comment on much of it but certianly rings true with my experiences here in the UK of the anti-feminist backlash.
It seems though like many younger girls here dont take much pride in them selves, but lots of guys are down the gym, looking well turned out and yet the same girls would turn down a guy just as fat, greasy, ill-mannered and poorly dressed as them selves. I would never insult anyone (to their face) who flirted with me just because they’re ”not hot enough”, or even the right sex, but a lot of these girls will. I worked with a girl who liked to dress scimpy, liked us all to look, 6 of us standing there one day as she pranced and preened in her hot pants and bikini, she was loving all the looks and attention in till she saw that one of the guys watching was fat and spotty, she tried to claim sexual harassment, though he had said nothing and wasn’t staring, it went to a tribunal, i spoke in his defence, she lost her job not long after that, she had wanted his, if not for me, she’d a got away with it. Dont know why but i felt like sharing that story.
Much of the popular feminist culture here seems to be about woman being masculine and not equality, there’s still a pay gap though it’s rarely mentioned and femine traits can seem put into 2nd place. I grew up hearing that all men are shits, etc, etc. It all most seems like a default view for many woman here. I dont think its feminism or capitilsm, just society i guess, a back lash against thousands of years of oppression maybe? Seems like its ok to be sexist towards men though, fine in till ppl lose jobs and dont get to see there kids for no good reason i ‘spose. I thought i had a point, but apparently not. Thanks anyway, great site!
Thanks for the thoughts
Jesse…my first comment. Have to say Bro, you’ve got great insights and eloquence. Just picked up your Nonverbal program. Very very good. And I’ve studied with some of the best…Johnny Soporno, Hypnotica, Ross Jeffries, David D, Adam Gilad and even did a Mystery bootcamp back in the day. Now that I’m out of a 4 year LTR, I can say with confidence and experience you’re on the right track. Keep it up.
Thanks Scott, I really appreciate comments like that 😉
Completely agree with Jesse… “Good Old Days” is just a myth!
yep
I think Jesse Charger is trying to rationalize the modern-day american female narcissist – with predictable results. A bitch is a bitch – and, no, Amy Schiff (that’s a jewish name, isn’t it?), a guy who dislikes american women isn’t necessarily an insecure misogynist; rather, he’s a guy who probably realizes that at least one-third (or more) of rape allegations in America are false, that most violent acts against children are committed by women, and that american women are just as likely as men to initiate violence in domestic relationships (even though domestic violence is inevitably portrayed in american culture as something men do). Oh, before I forget: most divorces are brought forward by women and fathers are an after-thought in custody courts across the land. If American women wanted genuine equality with men, they wouldn’t vilify fathers in custody courts and treat them as merely wallets with testicles; they wouldn’t demonize male sexuality; they wouldn’t launch false rape and harassment allegations; and they wouldn’t insist that the unborn are merely a bundle of cells (which means that they are entirely disposable right up to the moment of conception) while, paradoxically, applauding laws that charge a suspect with two counts of murder if he or she kills a pregnant female. It’s fair to say that women in America want it both ways: they want to be amazons in the workplace – which includes behaving in ways that no male colleague could get away with – and they want also to be indulged like little girls by the state (see affirmative action programs around the country or the fact that women are forever playing the role of victim even though, in 2012, men are less likely to have a university or professional degree, are more likely to be the victims of violence, and are more likely to die at an early age). Truth is, women don’t want equality in the united states – and today’s culture is informed by gender feminism and not equity feminism. I can’t believe that jesse is trying to rationalize a bullshit, gynocentric and misandrist culture as if things today work in favour of men; maybe those things work for beta males, but any guy who actually wants to keep his stones is not welcome in this culture. C’mon Jess: grow a pair. You live and operate in an anti-male culture that will spend more time telling your son that there’s something wrong with him and that he needs to be girl than it will teach him how to be a productive member of society. As for Amy Schiff: that last name sounds jewey – and it is never advisable to trust a jewess to be honest about anything. Go back to israel, bitch, and kick a 13-year old palestinian kid and steal his family’s land.
You sound a bit delusional paranoid. Good luck on keeping a girl.
I agree that feminism is great making women sexually liberated. We guys should be thankful for most of it.
However there are some part of the article which I believe is somewhat misleading… There seems to be an undercurrent anti-caplitalist bent in the article. When it is precisely the affluence and higher standard of living in countries that allow women to become more feminized. They get more opportunities to have their own careers get richer less dependent on men, hence more sexual liberation, ect.
The richer the population of the country becomes the more opportunities for women (at least in most countries), even in China this is starting to happen the population is getting richer due to capitalism and the women are becoming more independent and assertive. The poorer the country the less chance for women to strike out on their own and become liberated.
I aslo think AlekNovy’s comments were on point, the media meme’s contents are not created by heterosexual male but by femenist educated women and gay men, so like I said some of the article content is not truly accurate.
Overall, I agree femenism is great for helping people get laid (as long as it snot taken too far).
This was a great post! All so true. I only see negative comments from men who are threatened by women and other men, because they were either put down by their mamas or are just not hot enough and can’t compete- you probably look fine and it’s your PERSONALITY and women-hating that turns us off, so think about that.
Also, whoever said “anglo women are ugly” is an idiot. WHO IS ANGLO? i’m pretty sure most people in usa, uk, aus and south africa etc are migrants from all countries, many are mixed raced of baltic, danish, german, spanish, slavic, swedish, greek, italian, dutch, etc etc. You can say “anglo” meaning all caucasian women. Looks have a lot more to do with lifestyle as we age, not our race. You get different women and men from all countries, some very hot and some.. very not.
This guy understand women and respects them, thats what any DECENT woman wants.
Like I say, any man who needs you to be a virgin/submissive in marriage or before, is NOT the guy to marry! haha. so true. The men who try to control you are the type to avoid, the women who SEEK to BE controlled because they have no skills, brain or independence and are no prize, sir. They will make a boring wife for a boring life..
… they are usually the unattractive ones too, they are afraid of losing you so try to control men- see, both insecure men and women need to control. It’s all about your own ego.
Nice points Amy, thanks for sharing
If this is a supposed thousandey thousand old behaviour, why is it not present in non-feminist countries?
Feminism introduced many things, one of them being the idea that “niceness” is supposedly a “patriarchal value” and you don’t owe kind, nice behavior to men you’re not attracted to. Look it up.
ANY country you go to, Persistence and “Staying In Set” are attractive features, even in “non-feminist countries”. It’s universal that women are attracted to men who remain unreactive and don’t constantly seek approval.
Nice strawman. You didn’t respond to anything I said. You did a politican thing on me where you responded to a question you wish you were asked, lol 😀
Everything you said is true, but how the fuck is it related to what I said? lol. I wasn’t saying that there’s a difference in what women in different countries find attractive.
What I said is that in FEMINIST COUNTRIES – the women are TAUGHT that its ok to treat UNATTRACTIVE guys like CRAP – whereas in non-feminist countries, girls are taught that if a guy is unattractive you let him down nicely and/or at least give him a chance EVEN IF he doesn’t have alpha qualities up front.
This is why beta find they can go in non-feminist countries and get away with being beta and still find a loving girl. She doesn’t immediately shred them to pieces based on cave-woman instincts, she gives them a chance.
I guess I didn’t understand your first point and there’s miscommunication.
The reason that when a white guy goes to a third world country (or “Non-feminist country” as you put it) and gets treated as if he’s more attractive by the women is because a) he looks exotic and sounds exotic with the language b) he’s perceived to have money and status c) the girls don’t have a great handle on English which is perceived as higher-status.
Whereas back-home, the shy guys is just “another nice guy” and isn’t sexually attractive to the girls. Womens’ responses are not based on a “feminist indoctrination” but what women instinctively are responding to on an animal level of what they’re perceiving of the man’s raw status.
Bullshit comparison when you compare to third world.
A proper comparison is comparing to say eastern or southern europe or asia (like japan), where the women are bubbly, nice and kind.
You trying to to relate it to technological progress is a massive fail
Another massive fail. Most producers of that media are feminist-educated women and gay men – NOT heterosexual men.
The men are only on the top and care about profits. Its middle management, and the producers who decides what messages are spread, and those are decided by women and gay men.
You’re referring to “girl power” materialism. Yes, there are middle-management gays and middle-management women chasing the dollars and pushing that message as well, you’re absolutely right. But again, they’re driven by making money and greed, NOT feminist philosophy.
Point is, capitalism and the pursuit of profits drives the message to young girls to chase dollars and be superficial. I’m not knocking capitalism per se, it is what it is, but it’s an economic system driving these behaviors in young girls, not some middle-aged women who read Ms. Magazine who call themselves feminists.
You are just looking for sex not meeting women. THat is his catch only sex. The women from before used sex for love now they use sex for fun. Then they get dilusional about the idea and think every guy is a dog and wants to sleep with them. so this becomes a problem. Actually I disagree with what the author says. I find that women still want the Masculine guy that takes charge. not the intelligent sweet heart you portray that is ok with you. I do agree about the bitch thing I always get passed it and I don’t go sweet on them. Also men were more respectful back then and in my country you portray colombia we are more romantic and respectful and that is why we have hot women. Also the women in my country are not like you say Non-Femenist. We have been more open to women working and other things. What happens is that it becomes a peer pressure thing my country with drugs and a hard life style don’t give women or men time to go out to clubs and date every one and fuck everything they see. Our culture is more about having a family , raising kids and trying to work out together. Most women stay home not because the husband is Machista but becuase it’s not worth it leaving your kids with someone else for almost no money at all. I can gurantee that most men when they get out of the whole I want to fuck scene they will find what they want and she will be everything from hot, good looking and respectful. YOur article sucks
WOW! I DO AGREE.THATS TRUE
Ok Jesse. That’s clarified.
However, still do not agree that “after their teens and early 20s (nature’s child bearing age) the instinctual urge to do so drops off tremendously.”
That’s the whole point of make up. To appear younger and fertile. Why do ladies make themselves up before they go out? Of course today, they have no idea what feminine is , other than to put on make up.
Metaphorically, it’s lipstick on a pig.
Interesting commentary . I can agree that Feminism is not responsible for all the problems between the sexes.
However, I am deeply suspicious. “In Defense of Feminism”! ?? Feminism has been deeply and widely successfully critiqued and this article will do very little to alter that.
Jesse, are you a Feminist? Blaming Capitalism is huge red flag — and a subject I won’t get into here — that’s a typical Feminist straw man.
Finally, let’s take a look at one obvious error.
Women have been using make-up ; or altering their appearance, for thousands of years. One easy example is Egyptian women highlighting around their eyes and at the corners.
That Capitalism is responsible for make-up is laughable. When Communism fell in the FSU , women were desperate for make up . Why? Because it gave them an advantage in attractiveness. They had very little available under the Soviet system, but when it fell, the need to replace Daddy State with a wealthy enough provider drove the demand. Russian women still dress very feminine compared to the west. What’s the standard of living like there again?
“And it’s NOT in women’s natural programming to try to look feminine. ” Total bullshit proven by the above.
And.. that’s part of what has occurred with American wymyn. They don’t have to try because of so many subsidies at all levels of society. Watch what happens when those subsidies fail or withdrawn.
Thanks for the feedback, but you put a lot of arguments your imagining into my mouth that I don’t make.
I don’t claim that capitalism is responsible for makeup – only that before capitalism and mass production, makeup, nice hair, nice nails, etc wasn’t widely available and limited only to the upper class of 1% population. So there were no ‘good old days’ of beautiful women.
I don’t claim that women don’t want to look feminine. I say that after their teens and early 20s (nature’s child bearing age) the instinctual urge to do so drops off tremendously.
The other arguments speak for themselves.
You are the reason why I’m leaving the US permanently because the society has gone down the drain. Let’s look at all your points, which DO NOTHING BUT RATIONALIZE all the nasty behavior that American women have adopted.
Fat American Chicks – They lack self control and do not care to be healthy for themselves. You cannot blame everything on Capitalism. A human with 50 billion brain cells MUST eat fast food.
Career – Most foreign women would rather raise kids than work in a soul sucking corporate job like Most americans. It all begins with core values, something American women lost years ago.
Feminine women – Most foreign women are bangable in their 30 and sometimes even 40’s. American chicks are LAZY!!!!! Besides, with so many desperate men, they can afford to let themselves go!
Bitch Shields – It’s called falsely inflated value. She thinks EVERY MAN wants to sleep with her. WTF is her deal? These bitch shields carry over into her job, lifestyle, and even at the grocery store. Humans are SOCIAL CREATURES, so anyone with a shield is a dysfunctional HUMAN BEING!
You want to know why foreign women look sexy and anglo bitches look nasty? Because foreign men don’t RATIONALIZE BULLSHIT.
Your course may be amazing, and the presentation looks good. But it’s nothing more than plugging a hole in a broken system.
The BEST THING ANY MAN CAN DO TO GET WOMEN is RECONNECT WITH HIS MASCULINITY. Get your T levels high. Lift heavy stuff. Take care of yourself. Don’t take shit from anyone. Be a MAN! Something that’s completely lost in modern day western culture.
Jesse has a wonderful site, and some great points. But the big picture is to be masculine and be proud.
Tarik, you are making a lot of excuses and rationalizing for the American capitalist culture – money at all costs, fast food, and cars everywhere rather than exercise. Many American women are unattractive and low value… but so are the MEN too. Have you seen the men here? Yikes. Fat, slovenly, and obsessed with career and passive entertainments. There is a disease affecting a good portion of America, both women AND men, and it isn’t feminism.
due to the discrimination against men many have given up which is sad. dont rationalize this communist ideology as a “good thing”. the western world is infected with many disease “isms” in addition to feminism (narcissism, materialism, socialism) that is why it is slowly dying off and I am getting out while I can.
Really good post, I enjoyed the new perspective.
I felt compelled to drop a comment simply because
Such profound points were highlighted. Jesse, great point
When uou mention how certain artificial personalities
Some women harbor were carefully constructed some think
Tank of marketing and advertising schemers. In a wAy,
Its just another one of those veils over our eyes until we grow
A little wiser and more experienced enough to
Comprehend such a concept. Another countintuive
Idea that may take more than a simple explanation to wrap
Your mind around. I think i really enjoyed this article because
Not only is it thoroughly discussed but ive also have seen
This demonstrated in my real life. Gotta love capitalism.
Also i’d like to point out that, i overall agree with what
Was discussed is true, but even if it wasn’t true, it’s a
Great theory and explanation to reason with reality in
A logical sense. I also have to say that was a great comment
By the reader above me; it made me want to drop a little of
My own thoughts. Keep up the great writing Jesse!
Difficult to say. But today’s women are more educated and financially independent. Hence they are outspoken and assertive.
Obviously men do not like it. However with other interest and toys, they are much less interested in sex.
Sex is pleasant to let human continue to procreate. Else who will take the trouble of bearing a child and bring it up.
But this smart woman have made sex much less attractive.
Actually, in response to Sumit’s statement, I find “outspoken and assertive” women generally more attractive than demure and passive women. Of course, if a women is both “outspoken and assertive” AND brash, obnoxious, commanding, etc., that is unattractive, but it’s not the woman’s willingness to speak her mind or assert herself that is unattractive. Outspokenness and assertiveness represent confidence. If the woman is cool, outgoing, mature, sexy and outspoken/assertive when needed, she’s cool in my books. The key is – when is she outspoken and assertive? (And this goes for all people, men included). If she’s outspoken/assertive all the time and on trivial issues, she’s a control freak and bore. If she’s outspoken/assertive when she has to be – to stand up for herself, to defend something of value, to communicate properly, etc. – I’m thankful for it.
As for your article Jesse – really enjoyed it, as I’ve enjoyed the other ones the past week or two. I think the best point you made is: remain unruffled. We are much more attractive when our positive male energy is unshakeable. And more importantly, we’re enjoying ourselves when we’re positive. Being more attractive is a nice benefit to the higher purpose of being happy for ourselves.
I wanted to contribute a few points to some other insights you referenced. The result of the fatherly tendency to materialistically over-indulge daughters – i.e. a spoiled daughter with a frustrating sense of entitlement – can equally apply to sons. If a son is treated like a little prince that can do no wrong and is given everything he demands, he’ll just as likely wind up spoiled and imperious and a major pain in the ass. It happens though that – despite all the financially independent women these days – in most 2-parent families the father is the primary breadwinner and is more likely to dote on and therefore indulge and spoil his daughter than his son. I’m not sure I agree with your suggestion that it is not instinctive for women to beautify themselves. The universality of female beautification – from the primitive dyes, flowers, and decorations of women in traditional 3rd/4th world backwaters to the boutique fashions, silicon implants, and designer jewellery of women in Hollywood – suggests that it is an impulse that transcends culture. And to me it makes biological sense as the evolutionary worth of the female comes mainly from her reproductive capacity as represented and highlighted by her sex appeal. The more that sex appeal is highlighted, the more she will be desired and fought over by the most eligible (i.e. powerful, protective and resource-rich) males. It’s just that when women are mired in grinding poverty and don’t have access to all the modern world’s beautification tools, the extent to which they can and will beauty themselves is far less than say the trophy wife in Brentwood, LA (who has all the time and technology to do so).
And I totally agree that the scourge is not some ideology known as “feminism”. Although academic feminism does make some offensively unscientific (stupid) and unfair claims (e.g. that gender is purely a social construct), the bigoted “bitches” that one finds in the feminist ranks are not bigots or bitches just because of the ideology they subscribe to. The fundamental problem is that such people are judgmental and sour (bigots, bitches). And they happen to call themselves feminist. Just as there are judgmental and sour people of every stripe, that call themselves “environmentalists”, “conservatives”, “all-American”, “Christian”, “Muslim”, “Jewish”, “atheist”, etc.
With that said, I admit that I have encountered a higher-than-normal proportion of women I don’t really enjoy the company of in the ranks of outspoken feminism.
It’s bedtime.
Thanks for the insightful comments man
Wow awesome series of posts. Right on the money Jesse.
Thanks!
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